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Ohiogirl, I really didn't mean to offend. I'm sorry. I can't remember squat half the time, especially anything important. But small bagels? Remember them like it was yesterday. Go figure.
Fat people probably wonder how anybody could take a cookie and break off a piece for tomorrow and antoher piece for the next day. People are different. Despite larger portion sizes, not everyone is getting fat. Some people like yourself are obviously fortunate enough to not have an appetite for that quantity of cookie treat. It's not that fat people are dumb or don't try. Ask a fat person what he'd rather have $1M cash or his ideal weight. He'll take the weight. Ask a thin person and they'll take the cash.
An analogy is alcoholism. We all know that some people can be satisfied with a beer or two but alcoholics aren't satisfied with ten. A lot of this is brain chemistry and it is applicable to overweight people. One reason people are getting fatter is because some people have a predisposition to eat lots of junk - they want those sugary treats more than thin people (like you) do. It isn't a matter of discipline. A lot of thin people don't need discipline to be thin. And a lot of thin people have waste/store ratios which are different for fat people. People are different physiologically: Two people can eat exactly the same thing and exercise exactly the same way and one will get fat (stores more) and the other will stay thin (wastes more).
Back to the alcohol analogy: American Indians had zero alcoholism rate before Europeans brought alcholol to the Americas. Now Indians have a very high alcohol rate. Eighty years ago treats weren't around as much and there was less treats for people to eat and less people got fat. Now treats are everywhere and some people gobble them up more than others. I feel sorry for those people. I don't think there is an easy solution. Sure, the solution is to yell at fat people "Don't eat that!" and it is true but it isn't as easy for them as it is for thin people to do that. Same with alcoholics.
I guess you haven't read many of my posts. I'm overweight. I used to be very thin, when I was a little girl. I became "svelte" during my teens, but developed at a young age and had womanly hips and bust throughout my adulthood. I was on the high end of a perfectly acceptable and normal weight range for most of my adult life, but gained significantly only after I quit smoking. I've been working out and watching my portions for around 4 months.
It's pretty insulting to me, that you would make assumptions about what "fat people" think, or what they want. If you asked me if I'd take $1m or my ideal weight, I'd take the money. I'm not obsessed with my weight. My concern is with my health and fitness. I lose the weight as a result of getting fit. Losing weight is not my goal, it's a side effect.
As to your analogy, you can't compare overeating with alcoholism. Alcoholics -can- quit drinking. Whether they do or not is another matter, but they can do it, and if they do it properly and efficiently, they will live through it. Overeaters cannot stop eating, because if they stopped eating, they would die of starvation.
Overeating cannot be compared with any addiction, except perhaps an addiction to water (which I've never heard of but I wouldn't doubt that it's possible). The human species is, by design, addicted to food, water, and air. Our bodies cannot live without these three things. And so, an overeater can't stop eating. They can only learn portion control and better eating habits. That's the best they can hope for. The best thing an alcoholic can hope for, is sobriety; which, by definition, requires abstinence of alcohol. Can't do that with food.
Granted I wasn't living exactly 20 years ago, but McDonalds burgers have always been the same size, and if anything it has gotten smaller. Everything is getting smaller. Potato chip "big bag" sizes sure used to have a lot of chips in them now the are barely half full. Fast food burgesr are very tiny compared to real burgers you get at sit down restaurants like Chilis, applebees, outback steakhouse etc now those burgers are big and leave you feeling full. You didn't eat unless you feel very full.
I know my opinions are not popular, but you cannot feed adults on happy meal size kids meal portions.It is not going to work. You get more for your money when the portions are bigger.Those pictures do not cut it for me. Since the authors are so dedicated why didn;t they get a bunch of so called "huge portion size' food and "ideal portion size food" and stand them side by side so we could see a real difference. Sorry but slapping two of the same food photos and just enlarging one with an image editing program is just not realistic.
]This is why I LOVE LOVE LOVE that all restaurants here in Los Angeles (probably all in California) are REQUIRED BY LAW to post in their menus, the amount of calories contained in each item
And, that is why I take my glasses off so that I can not read the calorie count .
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Granted I wasn't living exactly 20 years ago, but McDonalds burgers have always been the same size, and if anything it has gotten smaller. Everything is getting smaller. Potato chip "big bag" sizes sure used to have a lot of chips in them now the are barely half full. Fast food burgesr are very tiny compared to real burgers you get at sit down restaurants like Chilis, applebees, outback steakhouse etc now those burgers are big and leave you feeling full. You didn't eat unless you feel very full.
I know my opinions are not popular, but you cannot feed adults on happy meal size kids meal portions.It is not going to work. You get more for your money when the portions are bigger.Those pictures do not cut it for me. Since the authors are so dedicated why didn;t they get a bunch of so called "huge portion size' food and "ideal portion size food" and stand them side by side so we could see a real difference. Sorry but slapping two of the same food photos and just enlarging one with an image editing program is just not realistic.
Yeh more for your money if you think "more" is a heart attack and obesity. That is not really most sane people's goals. You need to watch super size me. Yes you CAN feed adults on kids meal portions because they are the proper size for adults and just marketed as "'for kids". You just are in denial and just want to think its good to overeat. The kids meal is a proper calorie serving and sometimes over that.
A chili's burger is at least 650 calories. Add fries (= 1500 calories total) etc you are overeating by so much its terrible! You got to get over the delusion that stuffing yourself full is how you should eat. Probably at your weight if you are hungry you need to eat 2000 cals per day + exercise to lose weight. At this time that means if you had 3 meals and no snacks each meal should not exceed 666 calories.
So if you eat that chili's burger that is all you should eat calorie wise. But its not healthy and its too much meat at once:
"If 1,200+ calories for a sit-down-restaurant burger plus fries seems unusually steep, it’s not. The other Chili’s Big Mouth Burgers (with fries), for example, clock in at 1,500 to 2,140 calories plus 21 to 44 grams of saturated fat and 3,330 to 6,710 mg of sodium."
You think that salt is good for high bp? Cause it isnt.
Yeh more for your money if you think "more" is a heart attack and obesity. That is not really most sane people's goals. You need to watch super size me. Yes you CAN feed adults on kids meal portions because they are the proper size for adults and just marketed as "'for kids". You just are in denial and just want to think its good to overeat. The kids meal is a proper calorie serving and sometimes over that.
A chili's burger is at least 650 calories. Add fries (= 1500 calories total) etc you are overeating by so much its terrible! You got to get over the delusion that stuffing yourself full is how you should eat. Probably at your weight if you are hungry you need to eat 2000 cals per day + exercise to lose weight. At this time that means if you had 3 meals and no snacks each meal should not exceed 666 calories.
So if you eat that chili's burger that is all you should eat calorie wise. But its not healthy and its too much meat at once:
"If 1,200+ calories for a sit-down-restaurant burger plus fries seems unusually steep, it’s not. The other Chili’s Big Mouth Burgers (with fries), for example, clock in at 1,500 to 2,140 calories plus 21 to 44 grams of saturated fat and 3,330 to 6,710 mg of sodium."
You think that salt is good for high bp? Cause it isnt.
Actually, a regular cheeseburger is 300 calories, and a kids' French fries is 100 calories, so a Happy Meal with a non-caloric drink (diet soda, iced tea, or water) is only 400 calories. If you get the apple slices instead of the fries, you reduce the calories by 85, and significantly reduce the sodium. Source (PDF) (http://nutrition.mcdonalds.com/nutritionexchange/nutritionfacts.pdf - broken link) Sodium is not the culprit in every BP problem, but you still should watch the daily levels.
I am, of course, not saying that daily eating at McD's is the healthiest thing in the world, but it can be improved by making better choices.
That's true, they are. But back in 1964, McDonald's had one size of hamburger on its menu. Now there are quarter pounders, Big Macs, double quarter pounders, 1/3 pound angus burgers, etc. You get my drift. There was one size of fries and I don't think the drinks were so big (dunno, I wasn't allowed to drink pop when I was a kid ... ).
A Happy Meal is the perfect sized fast food meal. It's what you used to get at McDonald's when you ordered the burger and fries.
Yeh more for your money if you think "more" is a heart attack and obesity. That is not really most sane people's goals. You need to watch super size me. Yes you CAN feed adults on kids meal portions because they are the proper size for adults and just marketed as "'for kids". You just are in denial and just want to think its good to overeat. The kids meal is a proper calorie serving and sometimes over that.
I have not even watched half of super size me, I could not take it any longer. People claiming that McDonalds made them obese is laughable. No one pointed a gun to their head and demanded that they only eat McDonalds food. I would say that I only eat fast food only once or twice a week some weeks I do not have any. Well guess what, I am obese and have high BP and no I do not blame fast food companies or "huge" portions. I don;t think I overeat, but what measures constitute that a person is overeating? A person should eat until they are reasonably full.
I can't believe that you said that adults should eat kids meals. You cannot say that a 150lb woman should eat the same as a 75lb little girl. Or that a 200lbs man should eat like a 8 yr old boy. I thought the amount of calories you need to eat per day is based on your current weight.
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A chili's burger is at least 650 calories. Add fries (= 1500 calories total) etc you are overeating by so much its terrible! You got to get over the delusion that stuffing yourself full is how you should eat. Probably at your weight if you are hungry you need to eat 2000 cals per day + exercise to lose weight. At this time that means if you had 3 meals and no snacks each meal should not exceed 666 calories.
So if you eat that chili's burger that is all you should eat calorie wise. But its not healthy and its too much meat at once:
"If 1,200+ calories for a sit-down-restaurant burger plus fries seems unusually steep, it’s not. The other Chili’s Big Mouth Burgers (with fries), for example, clock in at 1,500 to 2,140 calories plus 21 to 44 grams of saturated fat and 3,330 to 6,710 mg of sodium."
You think that salt is good for high bp? Cause it isnt.
last time I ate a chili's burger I was very satisfied. I ate more than half of the burger and less than half of the fries. I did not bother to take the fries in the carryout box as they taste awful heated up afterwards in the microwave. Anyway,it's not like the burger had no nutritional value whatsoever.If I remember correctly, the burger had at least 3 types of veggies (a slice of tomato, lettuce, and onions which would count as 3 servings of veggies) all in one meal. I didn't eat the rest of the day. I agree with you that it is not the healthiest choice that a person could make but still..
Overeating cannot be compared with any addiction, except perhaps an addiction to water (which I've never heard of but I wouldn't doubt that it's possible). The human species is, by design, addicted to food, water, and air. Our bodies cannot live without these three things. And so, an overeater can't stop eating. They can only learn portion control and better eating habits. That's the best they can hope for. The best thing an alcoholic can hope for, is sobriety; which, by definition, requires abstinence of alcohol. Can't do that with food.
It really can, as I've been compulsive in more areas than I'd like to admit. I remember driving from one fast food chain to the next to get my "fix" after getting jilted over a date that never happened, much like someone might reach for a drink or a cigarette or go to the casino to gamble. I'd argue that one gets to a point of frenzy (in some cases after it starts) where the turn off switch does not operate as it's supposed to.
Of course, the conundrum with any behavior that has the potential for abuse (including food) has been whether one needs it or not. Food is the one thing people need, hence the need for moderation. It is more difficult in many ways to find that balance with food as one can't just stop eating. This might be why my weight range has gone from 122 to 207 all in the last four years - a lot of stress, loss and trauma. I wish I could say food was the ONLY thing abused in the process, but that would be a lie.
To tie it in with the OP, all of this supersizing can lead to obesity, as some people just don't know when to say no, just like a drinker doesn't know when to say no, just like how an anorexic doesn't know how to say yes, or a bulemic to keep the huge portions down. My point is that studies show that brain chemistry governs a lot of this overdoing of whatever and that they are more inter-related than not.
I have not even watched half of super size me, I could not take it any longer. People claiming that McDonalds made them obese is laughable. No one pointed a gun to their head and demanded that they only eat McDonalds food. I would say that I only eat fast food only once or twice a week some weeks I do not have any. Well guess what, I am obese and have high BP and no I do not blame fast food companies or "huge" portions. I don;t think I overeat, but what measures constitute that a person is overeating? A person should eat until they are reasonably full.
I can't believe that you said that adults should eat kids meals. You cannot say that a 150lb woman should eat the same as a 75lb little girl. Or that a 200lbs man should eat like a 8 yr old boy. I thought the amount of calories you need to eat per day is based on your current weight.
Sorry but if you actually knew what that food did to you as far as shut off you natural full response maybe you would be partially blaming them. Did you know that? You don't think you overeat but your body is obvious evidence that you do. So stop lying to yourself. I didn't say adults should eat the same as children. I said those meals are marketed at children. And actually depending on the age and size of the child may be too large. The amount of calories you need a day can be based on a few things: age, lean mass, weight, & activity level.
last time I ate a chili's burger I was very satisfied. I ate more than half of the burger and less than half of the fries. I did not bother to take the fries in the carryout box as they taste awful heated up afterwards in the microwave. Anyway,it's not like the burger had no nutritional value whatsoever.If I remember correctly, the burger had at least 3 types of veggies (a slice of tomato, lettuce, and onions which would count as 3 servings of veggies) all in one meal. I didn't eat the rest of the day. I agree with you that it is not the healthiest choice that a person could make but still..
A slice of tomato,onion and a few pieces of lettuce do NOT count as a full 3 servings of vegetables.
" a serving size for fruit or vegetables to be equal to about one-half cup. Greens like spinach and lettuce have a serving size equal to one full cup. One serving of sliced fruit is equal to one-half cup; however a single piece of fruit, such as an apple or an orange counts as one serving."
And you need at least 5 servings a day.
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