Do fatter people like fattier foods more than normal weight people? (carbs, lose weight)
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Some studies have shown that grass fed beef IS more nutritionally dense and leaner. I think it was in Forks Over Knives or some documentary.
Grass fed very well may have more nutrients than grain fed, but its still not a nutrient dense food. Meat as a whole isn't very high in nutrients, though there are some exceptions that most people don't eat (e.g., oysters, organ meats).
The ones I listed were from the first page of a Google search for "saturated fats healthy". I do not deny there will be plenty of detrimental studies done, that is a common premise so why link them?
Right...and what you found were articles on hokey websites....that should tell you something. You didn't find articles by well known medical organizations, universities, etc.
The food industry thrives on doubt, the tactic is the same whether its the beef, dairy, cola coca, etc. You fund some junk study that is designed to make something look good, or at the very least not bad, and make sure that study finds its way on some journalist desks.
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Why use ancestors from just a thousand years ago? This is more akin to hunter-gatherer prior to the last ice age. I am not trying to mimic feudal peasants. I do eat meat often, but not what I would call a lot of it.
Because our most recent ancestors are the most relevant, but also we only know the details for more recent times (last ~10,000 years) because there were no written records before then. We don't know that much about how our ancestors ate 10,000+ years ago, what we do know is that anatomically we aren't well designed (in terms of eating it or obtaining it) for meat and that all our closet ancestors have near vegetarian diets. So if our ancestors did eat a lot of meat, it was only after they could over come the anatomical limitations with fire and advanced tools which would mean it was only possible in the last million years or so. We also know that high fat foods are hard to come by, so they would have represented a small part of our ancestors diet.
One thing I find amusing with the paleo diet folks, which you're obviously referring to, is that they think human societies just one day decided to eat grains vs meats and other foods that could have been just as easily domesticated. What is even more interesting, is that every society that developed into a civilization independently settled on similar types of food. Usually a grain food, but in some cases starchy roots which are nutritionally similar. Why would every society converge on the same primary food source if it was such a poor food source? Doesn't make much sense....does it?
Jeez, do you work for the Grain Institute? This works for me, I am not telling you to do it lol. It is not as if I am eating 5 lbs of meat and a bowl full of coconut oil everyday. Vegetables make up my largest food source, followed by meat (cooked in coconut oil typically), then fruit, then dairy, then starch (potato once a week or so). Why do I need pasta and bread to live a healthy life? As far as I can tell, that and saturated fat levels are our only real contention.
Last edited by sacredgrooves; 04-07-2013 at 05:50 PM..
I used to work with a woman who was probably 5'2" and weighed something like 110 pounds. She ate like a lumberjack. I was always amazed at how much she could eat.
Jeez, do you work for the Grain Institute? This works for me, I am not telling you to do it lol.
You keep saying "this works for me", but what you mean by that is that you've lost some weight on a calorie restricting diet while eating "this way". Someone on the "10 twinkie a day" diet could say the same thing, the greater question is whether "this way" will actual promote long-term health and weight maintenance.
But getting back to the OP, when you look around the world there certainly seems to be a correlation between the consumption of fatty foods and obesity. You don't see the same things with carbohydrates. But I don't think from this you should conclude that fat people crave fatty foods more, instead that people are fat because they are eating more fatty foods for whatever reason.
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Vegetables make up my largest food source, followed by meat (cooked in coconut oil typically), then fruit, then dairy, then starch (potato once a week or so). Why do I need pasta and bread to live a healthy life? As far as I can tell, that is our only real contention.
Perhaps in terms of volume vegetables are your largest food source, but no means in terms of calories and that is what matters. A single tablespoon of coconut grease has roughly the same number of calories as 4 cups of vegetables. So in terms of calories, animal fat and grease make up your largest food source.....vegetables are very likely last. It would actually be hard to get enough calories if (non-starchy) vegetables were your primary food source, they are just not calorie rich enough.
Regardless, I haven't even mentioned "pasta and bread" so I have no idea why you'd think that is my only "real contention". Perhaps in your experience "whole grain" translates into "pasta and bread", I don't know, but conflating "whole grains" with "pasta and bread" doesn't make much sense. Plus, I've been primarily talking about fat intake, my "real contention" is that diets high in fat promote disease and obesity where as lower fat diets rich in whole grains, legumes, vegetables and fruit with limited to no meats, dairy and added fats/sugars promote health and leanness.
You keep saying "this works for me", but what you mean by that is that you've lost some weight on a calorie restricting diet while eating "this way". Someone on the "10 twinkie a day" diet could say the same thing, the greater question is whether "this way" will actual promote long-term health and weight maintenance.
Well, this thread started in the food forum, so it's not even a given that the poster is trying to lose weight.
I don't even understand why your arguing with that poster, they were quite reasonable about what they posted.
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The food industry thrives on doubt, the tactic is the same whether its the beef, dairy, cola coca, etc. You fund some junk study that is designed to make something look good, or at the very least not bad, and make sure that study finds its way on some journalist desks.
Im picking up on the PR/Spin aspect to this...its addressed in Salt/Sugar/Fat and "Pandoras Lunchbox", those two recent books on the processed food industry. They try to push it off on the consumer ("lack of self control"), or try to control the spin (just read about this in realation the beef industry and studies linking beef consumption with cancer).
It's only a myth that fattier people like fattier foods. It's true that they do crave for good and delicious foods (even we all crave) which is normal, but they amount of eating is more for them. Some faces the overweight issues without over eating specifically the hereditary obese people.
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