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Old 04-22-2019, 09:08 AM
 
Location: Podunk, IA
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I substitute turkey breast with half a cup of turkey gravy for the chicken quite often.
Do that and you basically got Thanksgiving dinner.
Who doesn't like Thanksgiving dinner?

There's also a big difference between 700 and 1400 calories.

To get to 1400, I'm adding:
Olives and tomatoes to the salad.
And cup of raspberries.
And a cup of blackberries.
And a 1/4 cup of peanuts.
And an Atkins Caramel Chocolate Nut Roll.

Basically, a snack and three desserts.
BTW... I'm not saying that everyone should eat the same stuff I do.
It's just an example of how much you can eat without taking in a large number of calories.
As you can see, it's possible to eat quite a lot.

I used chicken and turkey for the meat because they seem to really kick weight loss into high gear.
I see now why bodybuilders and fitness athletes eat a lot of chicken. Chicken eating works. But I change this stuff all the time.
The constants are the salads and the hard boiled eggs. I use 4 different dressings on the salads to change them up.

Last month I had to work quite a bit, so I missed at the Y.
It made no difference in the amount of weight I lost.
I feel better when I do cardio, but one could also walk the dog, do some gardening or go to the gym five days a week to feel better.

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Old 04-22-2019, 09:11 AM
 
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Here's the thing, you can only estimate how many calories you burn each day. Even with all the great trackers and supporting software, it's at best an educated guesstimate.

But if you track what you consume, you can get reasonably close to understanding how to adjust in order to create a weight-losing energy deficit.

The general rule is that you burn between 100-125 calories per mile of movement. To create a meaningful energy deficit you would need to increase how much you move each day to be the equivalent of, say, 250-400 calories, or about 2.5-4.0 miles. If you run, that's about 40-50 minutes and if you walk, somewhere closer to 60-90 minutes. But you can generate the same relative calorie adjustment by cutting back a little bit here and there.

What's easiest for a person, to eat a slightly smaller portion or two during the day or find time to pack equipment/clothing for a workout, get to wherever that workout takes place, change, workout, change back and then travel to the next place?

Weight management success is found in creating an ideal relationship between food choices and individual needs. Exercise helps in so many ways but makes for the lousiest of weight-loss techniques.
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Old 04-22-2019, 10:16 AM
 
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When I was young I was able to do this; I would just stop eating and do a massive amount of riding, swimming and playing tennis. I stayed slender. I was also smoking, which was one of the stupider things I've ever done. Young women in my circle were expected to stay slim and no one looked too closely at how they managed that.
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Old 04-22-2019, 10:25 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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So long as I can cycle hard at least 3 times a week for about 2 hours each time I can pretty much eat and drink whatever I want and my weight will still drop. If I cannot then I simply cut back some on the quantity of food.
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Old 04-22-2019, 10:31 AM
 
Location: Wine Country
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When I was young I was able to do this; I would just stop eating and do a massive amount of riding, swimming and playing tennis. I stayed slender. I was also smoking, which was one of the stupider things I've ever done. Young women in my circle were expected to stay slim and no one looked too closely at how they managed that.
That would still be a diet. The OP wants to know if not changing one's diet and exercising will cause weight loss.
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Old 04-22-2019, 10:32 AM
 
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I did cardio at home for 30 minutes a day, 6 days a week for 3 months, was at 75%-80% of my target heart rate each time, still ate more than I should. Never lost a pound, never lost a single millimeter. Had to stop cardio when I got the flu, but within those 3 months, nada.

Maybe it's just my body type. I'm lucky to only have belly fat, and it's been killer trying to lose a single millimeter.
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Old 04-22-2019, 10:46 AM
 
Location: Round Rock, Texas
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As someone who used to 50 minutes of cardio four times a week, and 45 min weightlifting sessions three times a week, I can tell you that no you can't rely on exercise by itself for weight loss. However, doing that in conjunction with an appropriate diet (one that achieves a caloric deficit) will see appreciable results.

Weightlifting really made the difference with me. Muscle makes you appear leaner and your fat is better distributed. I'm doing mainly cardio now due to my injury and it's just maintenance mode. My muscle tone has diminished but I hope to get it back soon.

People can lose weight just by dieting, but I can't say that the results are the same body-wise - fit and firm vs. looking like someone who has lost a lot of weight.
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Old 04-22-2019, 01:13 PM
 
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Well, not totally but, most of my dieting attempts have been cutting back on food and then, if I did exercise, not doing it until I started to get stuck. However, I think this process has simply made me larger.

So my new goal is not to cut back on food that much but rather attempt to do the vast majority of my deficit via exercise.The reason is that I think cutting back on food causes my BMR to drop severely.

I keep thinking of Oprah and how at one point she became an exercise hound but gained it all back when she had an injury.

But it seems like the slightest calorie deficit causes my BMR to reduce so I have to keep my food as close as possible to it.
All kinds of new evidence that exercise doesn’t help you lose weight but indeed prevents it, just google “Exercise doesn't help you lose weight“. Here’s one article:

https://www.gaiam.com/blogs/discover...ou-lose-weight
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Old 04-22-2019, 01:20 PM
 
Location: Podunk, IA
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I'm doing mainly cardio now due to my injury and it's just maintenance mode. My muscle tone has diminished but I hope to get it back soon.
That's one of the problems with depending on exercise.
At some point you're going to have an injury, so you need to have your diet down so you don't blow up.
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Old 04-22-2019, 02:54 PM
 
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Well, maybe triathletes and marathon runners can, but how many people can do that?
My nephew was an Olympic Gold and Silver medalist in swimming- 2008 and 2012 Olympics. When he was younger, but old enough to travel with his team and without them, his parents worried because he was a picky eater and training burned up so many calories that his times would suffer if he didn't eat enough. He tweeted a picture of a giant meal after one of his wins in London- a pile of McD's stuff. I think it was one of everything on the menu. I worked with a woman who'd been on Harvard's swim team and she said that when she was in HS and they had to log their diets for a Nutrition project, her intake was so much the teacher thought she was making it up.

Yes, they're the exceptions! I'm happy to say that both kept their athletic builds after they got office jobs so I suspect they scaled back their eating accordingly.
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