How fast can I loose 15 pounds.

[McBain II]

Originally Posted by pitt_transplant

So basically you are calling a certified nutritionist and a doctor full of it based on one picture where a guy's arms are not picture perfect? LOL

My guess is that you did not even read the studies mentioned or listen to the thing. Because if you did you would of had the cold hard FACTS from studies, that people respond different to training and diet.
And then you insult someones arms when you don't even know what they are doing at that current state? Any big guy I ever knew gets softer as soon as they stop lifting. Now do you think a guy that just had a baby may be time compromised? Because I think he might. Also you did not listen to it because it was gone over in the podcast how it is something discussed in science and NOT the same re-hashed parroted non-tailored info discussed in the fitness world.

Your "facts" are nothing more than bloated opinions. Are you jealous of brad's abs? Or that JB has a cushy job designing supplements?

Looking around with your own eyes...If you think everyone responds the same to ANYTHING with exercise and diet you greatly lack experience with diversity.

So again I ask, if this is such cold hard science, why are practically the ONLY places discussing it sourcing their information from Barban and Pilon, and why are several (yes, I checked more) weight lifting forums not even mentioning it?

Answer me those questions, and we'll go from there.

Oh, and which one of these guys are a doctor? According to their biographies, they're just a couple nutritionists. Also, if you want to start bringing credentials into the mix, that's fine too. I'll go drag out the biography of the real M.D and former world champion power lifter that I source most of my info from and we'll see who has science on their side.

Originally Posted by evesadam

Bosco, you are a pretty level headed guy. I am puzzled by your ad hominem attacks. Both of the individuals you posted videos of seem to be muscular and certainly not fat.

Fat? Of course not.

Muscular? Not even close.

How does posting photos/videos of them in any way discredit their argument?

Call me crazy, but when you're out there writing books on the subject, especially when you're telling people "you don't need that much protein to build muscle!" I kind of expect you to have a body that is evidence that your methods work.

Neither Barban nor Pilon can make that claim, and in Pilon's case, if you only looked at his arms you'd have to wonder if he's ever even seen the inside of a gym.

What specific pieces of evidence or argumentation do you object to?

I pretty well covered this, but simply put, I don't know whether the science behind this is solid, but there are several red flags already that I've found.

[pitt_transplant]

The doctor was in the web md article that you slammed. But why only those few are talking about it? I think that is just how new information or schools of thought are. Someone has to be first. We are not borgs. Are you a nutritionist? Are you a scientist? Is this just a hobby? (unlike most others I still think that has credit because it can bring an experience perspective.)

Also when you train and build there are phases. You don't look like you are ready to do some body building competition 24/7.

IF YOU WANT TO SEE ABOUT THE PROTEIN & RESPONSE LOOK TO THE STUDIES MENTIONED IN THE PODCAST!

No where did I say that BP & J said what the doctor said. I just said they were talking about STUDIES they did not fund or run showing the different types of response to protein intake and training. So if you just eat right and try to build, it may work for you. Its best to wean up dietary changes anyway. Whatever it is. Some people may hit the response level before 1g of protein.

What "redflags?"

[McBain II]

Originally Posted by pitt_transplant

So basically you are calling a certified nutritionist and a doctor full of it based on one picture where a guy's arms are not picture perfect? LOL

Originally Posted by Bosco55David

Oh, and which one of these guys are a doctor? According to their biographies, they're just a couple nutritionists.

Originally Posted by pitt_transplant

The doctor was in the web md article that you slammed.

First off, you need to be a hell of a lot more clear. The bolded sentence led me to believe you thought Barban or Pilon were doctors.

Secondly, yes that WebMD article was crap. I outlined the reasons on the first thread you posted it on.

But why only those few are talking about it? I think that is just how new information or schools of thought are. Someone has to be first. We are not borgs. Are you a nutritionist? Are you a scientist? Is this just a hobby? (unlike most others I still think that has credit because it can bring an experience perspective.)

So given the evidence I provided, which is more likely?

A) Barban and Pilon, a couple of nutritionists, have stumbled upon something that has apparently never been discovered before in all the years we've studied the human body

or...

B) They're pushing a theory which is questionable at best, possibly for their own financial gain.

Personally, I'm thinking option B is far more likely, and I'm willing to bet that in a few months you'll see the supplement companies that they work for start pushing products meant to beat this "Anabolic Continuum".

Also when you train and build there are phases. You don't look like you are ready to do some body building competition 24/7.

I'm well aware.

IF YOU WANT TO SEE ABOUT THE PROTEIN & RESPONSE LOOK TO THE STUDIES MENTIONED IN THE PODCAST!

No where did I say that BP & J said what the doctor said. I just said they were talking about STUDIES they did not fund or run showing the different types of response to protein intake and training. So if you just eat right and try to build, it may work for you. Its best to wean up dietary changes anyway. Whatever it is. Some people may hit the response level before 1g of protein.

I'm almost 20 minutes into the podcast now and so far I haven't heard a single reference to a scientific study.

What "redflags?"

The ones I discussed here.

I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest it's probably bunk based on the following facts.

1. John Barban and Brad Pilon, two of the most clueless blowhards in the industry, are pushing it.

2. Running "Anabolic Continuum" through Google brings up alot of Barban's and Pilons pieces, and not much else.

3. I ran this through the search engine of the bodybuilding/powerlifting/athletics forum I post on and there was not one single mention of it anywhere on the site, one which is largely regarded as one of the best around.

Or how about we just take a look at the authors themselves?

Brad Pilon (excellent arms there buddy! )

[Jbarban]

Originally Posted by evesadam

One thing I've noticed: when you eat a lot of meat and a lot of cheese, you smell worse.

A couple of my friends are avid weightlifters. Quite frankly, on a hot day, they smell like a**. I've even joked with them about it on occasion.

I mean seriously, they reek. It's not because they don't shower or use cologne. It's all the nastiness of the "food" they're eating being excreted out from their skin.

I noticed this with MYSELF even. And I'm not a big person.

Your body odor changes (obviously for the better) for the positive when you eat clean food.

If you are an avid meat and cheese eater, and you go out on a hot, sweltery day, chances are you are stinking it up.

Hey that's exactly what happen to me. all this start it when i start to work out, and then 2 weeks later began the smell...what can i eat that this thing do not make me sweat with smell/

[CAVA1990]

I'm too lazy to read throught this thread so perhaps it's already been addressed but can you at least lose the second "o"? Why do so many people incorrectly spell "lose" as "loose"? It's "lose" people, with one "o". Commit that to memory please.

[Sunnysee]

Find the book titled "The Four Hour Body!" I have lost ten pounds, effortlessly. It's not the "no carb" diet, but the "SLOW carb diet." BEANS...gotta like Beans cuz they are so filling and are a main staple of the diet, and this book is rather new and revolutionary. in fact, I think I've now lost 12 pounds, as a woman in my fifties and not even working out aerobically, bad as this is.....I'm at least 13 pounds lighter than I was eight? weeks ago or so, maybe a bit less, and I cheat a tad on the diet, but hey!

One day a week we are supposed to cheat like heck...the book explains why, and it is physiological as well as psychological, for reasons that we should.

[McBain II]

Originally Posted by Sunnysee

Find the book titled "The Four Hour Body!" I have lost ten pounds, effortlessly. It's not the "no carb" diet, but the "SLOW carb diet." BEANS...gotta like Beans cuz they are so filling and are a main staple of the diet, and this book is rather new and revolutionary. in fact, I think I've now lost 12 pounds, as a woman in my fifties and not even working out aerobically, bad as this is.....I'm at least 13 pounds lighter than I was eight? weeks ago or so, maybe a bit less, and I cheat a tad on the diet, but hey!

One day a week we are supposed to cheat like heck...the book explains why, and it is physiological as well as psychological, for reasons that we should.

I see that Tim Ferriss strikes again.

[AngelBy]

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[HarveySmith]

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