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Old 11-18-2007, 03:22 PM
 
Location: Hooterville, NV
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You haven't seen enough Pit Bulls then. Many have yellow or gold eyes. Mainly red nose dogs. I have a female who also has really light yellow-amber colored eyes, she is a dark red rednose though so her eyes go nice with her coat. As the yellow eyed girl below has a nice match.


Her eyes are certainly yellow.

Oh and I agree Brooklyn is a stunner!!!
hmmm...well, think amber color is one thing and yellow is another Yellow eyes makes me think of one of those jungle cats, I think it's a jaguar. The eyes of the dog in the picture I would probably call a light amber if I saw her in person...I guess sometimes color can be like beauty, in the eye of the beholder

 
Old 11-27-2007, 05:09 PM
 
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Raised with love and kindness, pit bulls are wonderful dogs. Any breed that is abused or encouraged to become aggressive will be aggressive. Want to know if a dog is dangerous? Look at the other end of the leash. Sadly,pit bulls were initially bred to fight other dogs. Most people don't know that two so-called humans were always in the pits with the dogs while they fought (and still are). Therefore, there was (and is) a compelling motivation to not breed pit bulls to be inherently human aggressive.

It is impossible to tell whether a mixed breed dog has pit bull in him unless you know the parents. Many dogs are labeled pit-bull mixes for no other reason than they look vaguely pit-bullish. They could just as easily be boxer mixes or rottweiler mixes or some other mixed breed. I strongly recommend that anyone who has a pit bull mix NEVER identify him as such. Pit Bulls have suffered much discrimination and many have been killed because of it and for absolutely no other reason.

People should be aware that at various times in U.S. history, the most maligned breeds were boxers, dobermans, German shepherds. It's just the poor pit bull's turn right now.

Bite power tests are ludicrous. It is impossible to tell a dog to bite as hard as he can on a bite plate. It is also ludicrous to believe a test that shows a narrow-faced dog has greater bite power than a broad-faced dog is accurate. It could be that the person who conducted the tests was simply more successful in tormenting the German Shepherd into biting with more aggression. Broad-faced dogs have more powerful muscles attached to their jaws as any anatomist can tell you. A pug will have more powerful jaws than a poodle of the same size. That, of course, has absolutely zero to do with their tendancy to bite or how hard they will bite if they do.
 
Old 11-27-2007, 11:18 PM
 
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Bite power tests are ludicrous. It is impossible to tell a dog to bite as hard as he can on a bite plate. It is also ludicrous to believe a test that shows a narrow-faced dog has greater bite power than a broad-faced dog is accurate. It could be that the person who conducted the tests was simply more successful in tormenting the German Shepherd into biting with more aggression. Broad-faced dogs have more powerful muscles attached to their jaws as any anatomist can tell you. A pug will have more powerful jaws than a poodle of the same size. That, of course, has absolutely zero to do with their tendancy to bite or how hard they will bite if they do.
Why are these ludicrous? I find them interesting. I didn't post them to offend. To me they seem fairly accurate, nothing will be 100% accurate, especially not for an entire breed (like some Pit Bulls but harder then others so the same must be true for other breeds) but it seems to be at least something to think over. IMO it shows that the larger the dog the harder the bite. Really that is exactly what it showed with those 7 breeds tested anyway. The smallest bit the softest and the largest bit the hardest. How is that so unbelievable. They didn't torment the dogs into biting anything, the dogs were sent and bit the sleeve as they are trained to do. It is not odd to think a larger dog will have more bite power.

Jaw construction certainly goes into making a dog be able to bite hard. I agree it can certainly correlate with that, however its not everything. If that were the case I don't understand how wolves have on average 1500 PSI which is greater then domestic dogs. Sure the domestic dogs might not be biting to their full potential (which highest I've seen record was over 500 PSI) but then who's saying the wolf is either? So the wolf would still have more PSI even against a breed of dog with a larger head and broad jaw set. Hyenas while not canine's had 1000 PSI, they don't appear to have a larger head or giant jaws when compared to dog breeds. So a dog the same size (weight) as a hyena with a larger head and jaws bit with less PSI, the Hyena had almost double. The dog had a better "construction" theoretically, but didn't bite harder. The dog might not bite with his full potential but then again the hyena might have done the same.

I think sometimes dog don't bite to their full potential, be it hesitation, weakness, nerves, they don't know they can, or whatever reason. The big jaws theory though I'm not sure. There are too many dogs with a narrower set that bite a lot harder then dogs with the blocky heads and bigger jaws. It just seems very odd. Maybe those larger sets are not biting as hard but then why? What makes some lines of dogs have a soft mouth. Even though they are built the same as the rest or in some cases "better". Despite them having the "jaws to do it" they just don't have that powerful mouth and then others who don't look like they have any jaw power bite extremely hard. It is interesting to look at. Maybe I'm just a nerd who knows.

I don't take the bite test as 100% accurate in all ways, there is certainly room for error. I do find it interesting and not anything too unbelievable. I would like to see more dogs of 1 breed tested to have a more accurate view. 25 of each breed and see what each one gets in comparison. I wish that were done, would make it more scientific and take into account that some dogs of that breed might not be biting as hard as they can when they are compared with their own breed.

Maybe I'll get one of these special instruments for a sleeve and test a couple dozen and see what happens.
 
Old 11-29-2007, 12:32 AM
 
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Pitbulls should be taken more serious then anyother breed. If not bred or raised right they can be dangerous. Alot of people blame the dogs or the owners for attacks that happen. It all starts with what bloodlines they come from. If you have a pitbull that comes from an aggressive bloodline, you will always have aggression no matter how hard you train him. In my opinion people should have to have a background check before they can own one of these animals. You should have to go through a breeding course and pasts tests to get certified if you plan to breed these animals. I think if we start breeding the right temperment bloodlines of these animals, and put them into the hands of responsible owners, we wouldn't have as many problems.
 
Old 11-30-2007, 08:46 AM
 
Location: Tejas
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Pitbulls should be taken more serious then anyother breed. If not bred or raised right they can be dangerous. Alot of people blame the dogs or the owners for attacks that happen. It all starts with what bloodlines they come from. If you have a pitbull that comes from an aggressive bloodline, you will always have aggression no matter how hard you train him. In my opinion people should have to have a background check before they can own one of these animals. You should have to go through a breeding course and pasts tests to get certified if you plan to breed these animals. I think if we start breeding the right temperment bloodlines of these animals, and put them into the hands of responsible owners, we wouldn't have as many problems.
I beg to differ but a good friend of mine who was the local surgeon here in town got a gorgeous pitbull from "Fighting Stock" and he was a complete baby. Never had an agression issues with people or other animals alike. Just case the parents faught dosent mean it will. Why do you think Vick had to kill so many dogs (even the few we know of) because they wouldnt fight / show agression.

If you make people get background checks you are just going to install the myth that all pitbulls are dangerous, sure they must be, cause the owners have to get a background check like they are getting a CCW.
 
Old 11-30-2007, 09:16 AM
 
Location: Loss Wages
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Again, we need to go back to the fact that pitbulls were bred to be animal agressive, not human agressive too. We need to remember they are more powerful yes, but a dog is still a dog. Attacks are situational and have alot of environmental influence.

And to do background checks like a potential employee, you can't really do with dogs. Many pitties just show up or are dumped, etc. You can't do a background check on them. I think Brian is right, we still would be installing superstitions if you will.
 
Old 11-30-2007, 01:02 PM
 
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I beg to differ but a good friend of mine who was the local surgeon here in town got a gorgeous pitbull from "Fighting Stock" and he was a complete baby. Never had an agression issues with people or other animals alike. Just case the parents faught dosent mean it will. Why do you think Vick had to kill so many dogs (even the few we know of) because they wouldnt fight / show agression.

If you make people get background checks you are just going to install the myth that all pitbulls are dangerous, sure they must be, cause the owners have to get a background check like they are getting a CCW.
I'm just not ignorant to the fact that a pitbull can be a very dangerous dog. Moderator cut: debate the idea, do not attack the posterI own 5 pitbulls, and I take it very seriously to make sure they are socialized and trained well. I just think a background check and resposible breeding would help this breed in the long run. If in the wrong hands a pitbull can be just as deadly as a gun.

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Old 11-30-2007, 01:27 PM
 
Location: ARK-KIN-SAW
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I'm just not ignorant to the fact that a pitbull can be a very dangerous dog. Moderator cut: orphanedI own 5 pitbulls, and I take it very seriously to make sure they are socialized and trained well. I just think a background check and resposible breeding would help this breed in the long run. If in the wrong hands a pitbull can be just as deadly as a gun.
i think if more pit owners thought like this person, there wuddint be as many problems with them, I was almost attacked by a "pit" this morning when i went to start my truck, he/she was in my driveway and was growling at me, I know the incredible biting and not letting go power these dogs have and I was ready to feed it my coat, but luckily didnt have too, it ran off with the help of a few small rocks-lol.

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Old 11-30-2007, 01:47 PM
 
Location: Tejas
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APBT Moderator cut: orphanedyou might see from my posts that I am a proud owner of a Staff and have been for years.

Its good that you socialise, really is. Background checks, I dont need to comment on it again, never will happen, rediculous idea IMHO. Any dog can be deadly.

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Old 11-30-2007, 02:52 PM
 
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I beg to differ but a good friend of mine who was the local surgeon here in town got a gorgeous pitbull from "Fighting Stock" and he was a complete baby. Never had an agression issues with people or other animals alike. Just case the parents faught dosent mean it will. Why do you think Vick had to kill so many dogs (even the few we know of) because they wouldnt fight / show agression.

If you make people get background checks you are just going to install the myth that all pitbulls are dangerous, sure they must be, cause the owners have to get a background check like they are getting a CCW.
You are so very right. I have fighting dogs and gamebred dogs but they are not dangerous. One was very abused and is scared but isn't mean/aggressive. She wasn't just fought but physically abused, so it makes her distrusting of new people.

However breeding does play a role, it is true if you breed aggressive dogs you can get more aggressive dogs. It doesn't mean you always will or the entire litter will be, but there is a good chance. The only dog I've had with an off temperament came from a man biter (his dam). However I don't think APBT Lover intention was to say dog aggressive dogs are dangerous to people, I didn't get that out of their post at all. I think they were just making the point that breeding goes into making a dog and plays a very important role sometimes. Its not all how you raise them like some want to believe. This is with any breed of dog.

If you read this part "If not bred or raised right they can be dangerous." it is so true and I get their point.

As far as the background checks well yes thats ridiculous, its just a form of BSL and what can it really tell you? A background check won't tell you if the person really plans to be responsible or not. It won't happen because no one will fund it, breeders check out buyers to make sure they are responsible and capable. Its all about the breeder making sure before they let someone get one of their pups. All the certs for breeding and stuff again won't happen, people are not going to put money into a program like that.

It really doesn't make sense to single out one breed. Many dogs can be very dangerous because of power, size and physically ability. I don't know why people think Pit Bulls are the most potentially harmful dogs out there. Temperamentally they probably have a lesser chance of being dangerous to people compared to other breeds.
Rottweilers, Akitas and Presas can easily be like a gun/deadly weapon if poorly bred or raised. Most APBTs are very friendly, even when not raised so well, other breeds can be the same but more often have some sort of temperament problem. If you let a dominant breed be dominant and bossy and don't know how to control them thats how it becomes. Its not because its a bad breed, just what happens. With APBTs it is possible but less of a risk then other breeds. So why are these things not being proposed for those other breeds? (not just the 3 I listed, but several others out there) Wouldn't it make less problems?

If more bybs and puppy mills could be stopped it would help a lot with many breeds. Good breeders would be breeding and good people would get the pups. This wouldn't work 100% but neither would a background check. I would much rather see bad breeders of ALL breeds cut down then just one breed. The dogs are suffering no matter the breed and people also suffer in different ways. A big problem is uneducated owners too. In many breeds, that is why so many dogs are neglected, dumped off, ect. People don't get breeds that fit their lifestyle. They want a dog that rarely barks but get a breed notorious for barking, they want an active dog but get a lazy breed, they want a dog easy to train but get a challenging breed. Research should be done before getting a dog, for any breed, not just oh that breed looks cute or cool. A good breeder will make sure the breed is right for you. They will also help you with any problems.
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