Pitbulls: These Dogs Present Special Risk to non-Owners & Owners Alike: (border collie, shepherd)

[nicolepsy]

Originally Posted by miu

Speaking of rescue shelters, it's a shame that there are so many pit bulls and pit bull-like dogs filling them these days. The small cute dogs get adopted right away or rescued by the purebred rescue groups, but the pitties are stuck there and most get eventually euthanized. No one wants a pit bull of unknown history, it's just too scary.

Which is just another reason why responsible pit bull owners should always spay and neuter and never breed them. If ya want to save one (as long as you don't have kids in the house and live out in the country) then good for you but I don't think it's wise or moral to buy a pit bull pup from anyone.

[mapl]

Originally Posted by BrianH

Ya know, If i wanted to, and I know I will be doing soon I can get all the info on dog attacks / roaming from around the town. I can get the breeds of dogs that have been put down for being vicious. Animal Control has already told me that "pitbulls" are not top of the list. People dont seem to care. They find a breed, read into all the sensationalism and run with it. Do you care that my friend wont walk his Pit because it was attacked by a Shepheard ? Probably not.

And dont forget this "This eventually led to bloodsports such as bull-baiting, popular for both entertainment and the potential for gambling. These practices extended not only from the British Isles but also to the colonies she acquired during this time, including what is now the United States and in particular the South; many settlers brought their dogs with them to help around the farm, hunt in the woods, guard property, and use in gambling."


Absolute rubbish, its a proven fact that "pitbulls" do not have a locking jaw. This is pure myth and its been proven they have regular jaws. Research this.

They were bread for 100% loyalty to people, a trait, which when trained right (like ANY) dog still shines out. The bit about drug dealers is obsurd too, they use any dog that will bark to let them know people are here, my ex neighbor used a GSD and Lab as his guard dogs.

Pitbulls do not just attack out of the blue no more than a lab or retriever does. In fact, there are studies out there to show that Pits have a better temprement, just troll the forums to see.

I always have my dog on a leash, so its a no brainer. EVERYBODY should have their dog on a leash. Muzzles are foolish. I muzzle my Staff, a lab attacks it and the I am in danger. I have to put my arm in their and pull the lab off my muzzled and leashed Staff, I get bitten. Well guess who I sue ? I sue the owner of the lab for me being bitten then Ill sue the City / County for putting me in that situation in the first place. Good law right there. A warning sign ? Should it have "Please Sue Me" under there too ? or "I have a dog thats classed as dangerous, please get scared for no reason and sue me". Absolutely foolish. If one person has to do it, every breed owner should.

So now you are lumping me and my family dog in with an ignorant multi millionaire thug with nothing better to do ?

I know there is no way to make people of your beliefs see sence, but come on! LMAO

You can laugh all you want, Brian, but I stand by my positions on this subject.

First of all, there's a reason why pitbulls are required to be muzzled while out in public. First of all, pitbulls are known to inflict much more damage than other dogs that bite. Unlike the bites of other dogs, the bite(s) of pitbulls penetrate much more deeply, into the musculature of their victim(s), and they can and often enough do crunch bones. Inotherwords, pitbulls have the capacity to totally mangle their victim(s). Their jaws and mouths are exceptionally strong, with large furrows that can quickly drain the blood from their victim(s)'s eyes. While it's true that other dog bites inflict damage, most dogs, including dobermans, Great Danes and others, unlike the pitbulls, do not have the capacity to kill or permanently maim their victims. Also, Brian H, as in other animals and human beings, much of what shapes the behaviour is biologically based...and genetic. Also, one has to ask why pitbulls have such a special appeal for people who are irresponsible. There's got to be some reason. Also, Brian, if your pitbull gets into a scrap with another dog, you, as the pitbull owner would definitely be held responsible. You might want to think about that.

[mapl]

Originally Posted by DaBeez

The problem isnt with the breed it with the owners. I know quite a few owners of sweet, people loving pitbulls. I also know if few pitbull owners with terrbile vicious pitbulls but its the owners who TRAINED their dogs to be this way. I will fight any bill/law/legislation with all that I have to prevent anyone (government, law enforcement, uptight citizen) from placing any type of ban on this breed.

I do support having laws/legislation on the type of people who can own a pitbull though. If a person is a convicted felon or is on any type of probation he should be prevented from owning a pitbull. I also beleive that a pitbull cannot be kept, boarded, kenneled or at any time living at a property that is a residence of a person who is a convicted felon, is on probation or has arrest for violent crime (including hate crimes, gang activity and drugs).

I respectfully disagree here, DaBeez. Pitbulls have been known to just simply turn on their owner(s), or a family member just out of the blue. I saw one segment of "60 Minutes", where a family with a 2-year-old child had a pitbull, and the parents were very comfortable about having the family pitbull around the 2-year-old. At the end of the segment, there was a voiceover stating that, two weeks after the filming, that, out of t he blue, the pitbull turned on, attacked and killed the 2-year-old.

Another equally horrific incident that I recently read about was an instance where a mother was feeding her 14-month-old daughter, and their family pitbull just snapped out of the blue, turned on, attacked and killed the 14-month-old infant.

The tired old arguments about labs, etc. being involved in more fatalities than pitbulls is not something that I'm buying into. While I agree that makig people who already own their pitbulls is not realistic or reasonable, I think that pitbull owners should be prepared to take responsibility by complying with the law, or be prepared to pay a penalty for not doing so.

[mapl]

Originally Posted by nicolepsy

Which is just another reason why responsible pit bull owners should always spay and neuter and never breed them. If ya want to save one (as long as you don't have kids in the house and live out in the country) then good for you but I don't think it's wise or moral to buy a pit bull pup from anyone.

Good points, nicolepsy. Thanks.

[citybythebay]

Originally Posted by deegers

I'm with you. I won't waste my time commenting when we have tons of other threads with fabulous educated posts on this topic. Yes, MIU, the C-D pitbull crew might descend on MA for a possible chance on educating the public, but the fact that there is an actual term for us "C-D pitbull crew" stems the idea that maybe others are recongizing there's more to these kinds of articles than meets the eye( and makes me kind of proud). WE ALL know that media and newspapers are incredibly influencial to their publications and blow up information to suit their needs.

Brian was good at just taking the article and pointing out some key points. OutoftheBay is right. No need to express opinions we already know. The only thing we can do is bring up facts and keep educating. Unless someone has a question here about pitbulls, this can be just proving to us that we still have a long way to go to protects our dogs from the ignorance of mankind.

*Note the messages in bold lettering*
Here...here! It is a long road...and one which I am more than willing to trot down...as are quite a few other APBT/Staff owners on this BB.

[mapl]

Originally Posted by GreenMachine

Yeesh. Scary article. I don't think I want to own a pitbull. I'll stick with smaller, quieter dogs that are easier to deal with. That photo of a pitbull in another thread that was eating a car tire looked a little too high energy for me. I've never seen a dog go after a car tire like that. Most dogs I know prefer stuffed animals and some even carry them in their mouths like babies.

greenie

Very true, GreenMachine. It's not surprising that a pitbull would eat a car tire. Their extremely high energy, unpredictability, their capacity for absolutely mangling its victim(s) with their bites, and their ability to jump over 8-foot fences, as well as their fight-to-the-death mentality and their extremely high pain threshfold are what make these particular dogs especially risky to have as pets.

[miu]

Originally Posted by mapl

*Yup--They're coming out of the woodwork, little by little.*

The thread got moved from the Massachusetts forum to the Dog forum since I made that post... but I know that the pit bull supporters would have made it over there.

[2mares]

No one wants a pit bull of unknown history, it's just too scary.

My second pit bull came with the house, I didnt know him from adam.

[BrianH]

Ive got four car tyres in my yard and none of em eaten!

First of all, there's a reason why pitbulls are required to be muzzled while out in public. First of all, pitbulls are known to inflict much more damage than other dogs that bite. Unlike the bites of other dogs, the bite(s) of pitbulls penetrate much more deeply, into the musculature of their victim(s), and they can and often enough do crunch bones. Inotherwords, pitbulls have the capacity to totally mangle their victim(s). Their jaws and mouths are exceptionally strong, with large furrows that can quickly drain the blood from their victim(s)'s eyes. While it's true that other dog bites inflict damage, most dogs, including dobermans, Great Danes and others, unlike the pitbulls, do not have the capacity to kill or permanently maim their victims. Also, Brian H, as in other animals and human beings, much of what shapes the behaviour is biologically based...and genetic. Also, one has to ask why pitbulls have such a special appeal for people who are irresponsible. There's got to be some reason. Also, Brian, if your pitbull gets into a scrap with another dog, you, as the pitbull owner would definitely be held responsible. You might want to think about that.

So if my dog gets in a scrap I am responsible ? I NEVER let my dog off the leash, NEVER!. So its my fault ? My fault it gets attacked. Moderator cut: edit

[citybythebay]

OMG!...

Their jaws and mouths are exceptionally strong, with large furrows that can quickly drain the blood from their victim(s)'s eyes.

Now I have heard everything....I have a vampire dog! LMAO...


Brian, I'm with you....even though laughing is good for the soul I actually feel...well..we'll just leave it at that...hahaha...