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Old 12-17-2008, 06:46 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Hey all,

Our dog has been sick for about 4 months now, and we are out of ideas...and the vet is about out of ideas as well, maybe some one else would have one.

It started when our dog got coccidia from something, not sure what, and he started expelling everything from his bowels and stomach. We received antibiotics, and cured him of that...but the expellations have continued. Since ending the antibiotics he has been tested repeatedly for worms, bacteria, and parasites without much of a blip (a little yeast recently, but only notible thing)...but he continues to expel his bowels all over the apartment every week or 2 (always loose). We have had barium studies, ultrasounds, changes in diet, repeated complete apartment cleanings, repeated blood and fecal exams...pretty much everything but exploritory surgery without any sign of anything past the coccidia.

Something must have done something to him, we have had him for 5 years without any problems...then he's been sicker in the last 2 weeks then in the last 5 years. The thing is, we can't keep an incontent animal...we can't quit our jobs to watch him every day....and we can't afford exploritory surgery after the thouands of dollars spent already. No one will take an animal that can't control it's bowels, even then it's striking me as cancer with the sudden start and worsing of it without explination. So we are looking for an idea while getting the vet to try what they can.
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Old 12-17-2008, 07:18 PM
 
Location: Louisiana
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Hey all,

Our dog has been sick for about 4 months now, and we are out of ideas...and the vet is about out of ideas as well, maybe some one else would have one.

It started when our dog got coccidia from something, not sure what, and he started expelling everything from his bowels and stomach. We received antibiotics, and cured him of that...but the expellations have continued. Since ending the antibiotics he has been tested repeatedly for worms, bacteria, and parasites without much of a blip (a little yeast recently, but only notible thing)...but he continues to expel his bowels all over the apartment every week or 2 (always loose). We have had barium studies, ultrasounds, changes in diet, repeated complete apartment cleanings, repeated blood and fecal exams...pretty much everything but exploritory surgery without any sign of anything past the coccidia.

Something must have done something to him, we have had him for 5 years without any problems...then he's been sicker in the last 2 weeks then in the last 5 years. The thing is, we can't keep an incontent animal...we can't quit our jobs to watch him every day....and we can't afford exploritory surgery after the thouands of dollars spent already. No one will take an animal that can't control it's bowels, even then it's striking me as cancer with the sudden start and worsing of it without explination. So we are looking for an idea while getting the vet to try what they can.

I don't have any ideas on what could be wrong with him but you could try diapers to contain the poop/pee. Maybe try a different vet? 4 months is a long time to not know what is wrong. I wish you luck.
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Old 12-17-2008, 07:23 PM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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Usually coccidia is something kittens and puppies get, as older animals immune systems fight it off, so something has most likely compromised his immune system. Certain medications can deplete immune system function (like prednisone), and there is also the possibility of liver or kidney dysfunction. Are his chemistry levels okay? (You mentioned bloodwork, but testing chemistry levels is needed to determine the state of the liver) My kitten who had coccidia was on albon for a cycle, then I gave him milk thistle & dandelion root tea (both liver tonics) over his kibble, along with a supplement of either pau darco (immune system booster/cancer cell killer & preventer), or a product from standard process called feline whole body support, (has a bunch of awesome stuff in it but kind of pricey!) All of these things working together boosted his system and now he and his stool are fine. What are you feeding him? Could be a severe allergy to something in his food or toxicity of some sort. As far as incontinence, you can use regular diapers, just cut a hole for the tail, (you will need 2 people to put it on unless you are already a pro at this sort of thing! Make sure you clean the area well between changings & bathe every few days if necessary with a very gentle shampoo like honey/oatmeal...it will help the dog feel a bit more comfortable if he and his crate are clean.) You may also need to express his bladder, is there a problem with urine leaking? If so that could mean he needs some help to empty his bladder fully...if not, he could end up with a serious infection and major discomfort! Most important, let him rest. Crate him if necessary, just let him out for feedings and exercise...this will also lessen the load with the cleanings, as everything will be in one contained area. This must be so difficult...hang in there, and I hope this helps some!
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Old 12-17-2008, 07:27 PM
 
Location: Deep in the Heart of Texas
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Inflammatory Bowel Disease has the symptoms you are describing. It can be triggered by a parasitic or bacterial infection and it goes on from there. Something involved with the infection or the antibiotics triggers an autoimmune response that results in recurring vomiting and/or diarrhea. This type of thing can pop up quickly and be very difficult to diagnose.

Has the dog had X-Rays or an ultrasound to check for obstructions? Has your vet considered doing a food elimination diet to see if any ingredient in the dog's food is a problem? Very often IBD can be managed with dietary changes.

You might ask your vet to consult with or refer you to a veterinary internal medicine specialist. ACVIM.

In the interim, do you have a room that has uncarpeted floors where the dog can stay when you are not home? Spread out plastic sheeting on the floor and cover the floor with chix pads or several layers of newspaper. It's not pleasant to clean up, but it works. Most dogs will try to eliminate in one area.

You can pick up the soiled paper in a few minutes and hose off the plastic and dry it outside between uses. Last spring I had four dogs come down with diarrhea one after another, and it was two weeks before they were all okay, and that wasn't the first time, so I know what you're going through.

Don't give up yet.
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Old 12-17-2008, 09:07 PM
 
Location: Some place very cold
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Hey all,

Our dog has been sick for about 4 months now, and we are out of ideas...and the vet is about out of ideas as well, maybe some one else would have one.

It started when our dog got coccidia from something, not sure what, and he started expelling everything from his bowels and stomach. We received antibiotics, and cured him of that...but the expellations have continued. Since ending the antibiotics he has been tested repeatedly for worms, bacteria, and parasites without much of a blip (a little yeast recently, but only notible thing)...but he continues to expel his bowels all over the apartment every week or 2 (always loose). We have had barium studies, ultrasounds, changes in diet, repeated complete apartment cleanings, repeated blood and fecal exams...pretty much everything but exploritory surgery without any sign of anything past the coccidia.

Something must have done something to him, we have had him for 5 years without any problems...then he's been sicker in the last 2 weeks then in the last 5 years. The thing is, we can't keep an incontent animal...we can't quit our jobs to watch him every day....and we can't afford exploritory surgery after the thouands of dollars spent already. No one will take an animal that can't control it's bowels, even then it's striking me as cancer with the sudden start and worsing of it without explination. So we are looking for an idea while getting the vet to try what they can.
Please read my thread on Irritable Bowel Disease. It is a manageable disease, but you need to find a good vet and nutritionist and get your dog on a VERY strict diet. I have posted some information for you here:

//www.city-data.com/forum/6609473-post39.html

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Old 12-18-2008, 01:11 AM
 
Location: County Mayo Descendant
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Only thought I have is that I would take your dog to a teaching hospital, there's Ohio State and Texas A&M but I'm sure there are a few where you are, sometimes you can get help to pay for these visits.
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Old 12-18-2008, 07:29 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Yep, blood work and x-rays all clear so far, he's had his kibble changed about half a dozen times, and we have our third vet clinic (maybe 4th or 5th vet as well? Not sure my wife was taking him at the beginning). We have been laying things down for a bit, but after awhile we think he's cured and he does it right after we pick it up

Cool, good idea on the IBS...we have tried managing his diet a bit and trying different proteins but it hasn't helped yet. The vet has recommended more bland diets and we have tried it to no success yet. We haven't tried the strange proteins recommended (like rabbit and duck) with a much stricter diet, but are going to do that next.

Oops, was going to add...he is ~7 now. Got him from the pound around a year and a half old.

I'm just worried on the sudden and pretty hefty onset of this, we had a friend who had a dog with similar problems and it turned out to be cancer. She did everything she could do but the dog died pretty quickly (about 2 weeks since the diagnosis, awhile form symptoms), and she had to declare bankruptcy because of more then ten thousand in vet bills

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Old 12-18-2008, 12:59 PM
 
Location: Some place very cold
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Yep, blood work and x-rays all clear so far, he's had his kibble changed about half a dozen times, and we have our third vet clinic (maybe 4th or 5th vet as well? Not sure my wife was taking him at the beginning). We have been laying things down for a bit, but after awhile we think he's cured and he does it right after we pick it up

Cool, good idea on the IBS...we have tried managing his diet a bit and trying different proteins but it hasn't helped yet. The vet has recommended more bland diets and we have tried it to no success yet. We haven't tried the strange proteins recommended (like rabbit and duck) with a much stricter diet, but are going to do that next.

Oops, was going to add...he is ~7 now. Got him from the pound around a year and a half old.

I'm just worried on the sudden and pretty hefty onset of this, we had a friend who had a dog with similar problems and it turned out to be cancer. She did everything she could do but the dog died pretty quickly (about 2 weeks since the diagnosis, awhile form symptoms), and she had to declare bankruptcy because of more then ten thousand in vet bills
You need a better vet. You cannot manage this by yourself. Your dog needs to be on Flagyl or Tylosin and a highly regulated diet. Switching foods back and forth will not help. Get yourself an internist, someone who has dealt with this before. You need a new vet a.s.a.p.
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Old 12-18-2008, 01:42 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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You need a better vet. You cannot manage this by yourself. Your dog needs to be on Flagyl or Tylosin and a highly regulated diet. Switching foods back and forth will not help. Get yourself an internist, someone who has dealt with this before. You need a new vet a.s.a.p.
Have a new Vet, not a specialist but the person who supposedly has the most experiance with it in the practice. We have tried Tylosin with the last one, and are are doing a regiment of Flagyl (at least sounds correct, going to pick it up today) then add with a colon floral restorer (fun to think about), and stool firmer. There is no sign of infection, so not sure. Trying a new highly regulated diet as well, good for IBS and decreasing any lingering inflamation.

If it doesn't work, the only thing left is a referral to see a doggy oncologist.
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Old 12-18-2008, 04:55 PM
 
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My vet said my dog had IBS (just like people get) when she cr*pping herself all over the place. He said there wasn't much we could do - we give her anti-diarrheals when she seems sick and that seems to help somewhat.
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