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Old 01-09-2009, 09:35 PM
 
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WHat is the best? Currently using a name brand dry food, but I have heard that dry foods are full of fillers that they don't digest well (?) Are there any that produce less poop because they digest it better? Does anyone out there cook for your four-legged baby?
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Old 01-10-2009, 12:22 AM
 
Location: St. Augustine, Florida
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As you already know, you don't want to feed your dog anything that contains corn (dogs cannot digest corn well at all), by-products, animal digest (animal feces), artificial colors and/ or flavors, etc. Any dog food that you see on a commercial or that you can buy from the grocery store is going to be a poor quality food.

IMHO, Canidae is the best for our dog. We have also fed him Natural Balance and he did well on that as well. I would highly recommend both foods.

Here's a kibble rating chart and some foods and what they scored. This is what we used to find a good quality food for our pups.

You will need your kibble's list of ingredients, as found on the bag (or oftentimes their website).
Please note, however, this is for ingredients ONLY.... so before feeding a pup be sure to look at
the protein and fat and calcium and calories in the Guaranteed Analysis.

Start with a grade of 100:

-For every listing of "by-product", subtract 15 points
-For every non-specific animal source ("meat" or "poultry", meat, meal or fat) reference, subtract
10 points
-If there are no specific meats or meat meals, subtract 25 points
-For every grain "mill run" or non-specific grain source, or grain "middlings", subtract 10 points
-If the food contains BHA, BHT, or ethoxyquin, subtract 15 points
-If the same grain ingredient is used 2 or more times in the first five ingredients (i.e. "ground
brown rice", "brewer’s rice", "rice flour" are all the same grain), subtract 5 points for each
occurrence
-If the protein sources are not (specific) meat meal and there are less than 2 meats in the top 3
ingredients, subtract 3 points
-If it contains any artificial colorants, subtract 5 points
-If it contains ground corn or whole grain corn, subtract 3 points (subtract 5 if corn is listed in the
top 5 ingredients)
-If the food contains any animal fat other than fish oil, subtract 3 points
-If lamb is the only animal protein source (unless your dog is allergic to other protein sources),
subtract 2 points
-If it contains soy or soybeans, subtract 5 points
-If it contains wheat (unless you know that your dog isn’t allergic to wheat), subtract 2 points
-If it contains beef (unless you know that your dog isn’t allergic to beef), subtract 1 point
-If it contains salt, subtract 3 points
-If it contains corn syrup, molasses, or other added sweetener, subtract 10 points

Extra Credit:

-For every different specific animal protein source (other than the first one; count "chicken" and
"chicken meal" as only one protein source, but "chicken" and "turkey" as 2 different sources - do
not count egg, cheese, or other similar ingredients), add 1 point
-If the food contains 3 or less different mentions of grains (or other high-carb plant-based foods
like potatoes), add 5 points
-If any of the meat sources are organic, add 5 points (if the number 1 ingredient is organic meat,
add 10 points)
-If the animal sources are hormone-free and antibiotic-free, add 3 points
-If the food is baked not extruded, add 5 points
-If the food contains probiotics, add 3 points
-If the food contains fruit or vegetables (NOT corn or other grains), add 3 points
-If the vegetables have been tested for pesticides and are pesticide-free, add 1 point
-If the food contains barley or oats or oatmeal, add 1 point
-If it contains sunflower, hemp, flaxseed, or other polyunsaturated vegetable oils, add 3 points
(add 5 if it is the #1 fat)
-If the vitamin and mineral sources are chelated, add 5 points

94-100+ = A
86-93 = B
78-85 = C
70-77 = D
<70 = F


Food Grade Results
A's Score
A+ Chicken Soup for the pet lovers soul 113
A+ Eagle Pack Holistic chicken 114
A+ Eagle Pack Holistic LG and Giant Breed Adlt 113
A+ Eagle Pack Natural 104
A+ Timberwolf Organics Lamb and Venison 136
A+ Solid Gold Bison 123
A+ Solid Gold Wolf King 109
A+ Solid Gold Hund N flocken 105
A+ Solid Gold Mmillennia 111
A+ Innova 117
A+ Natural Balance Duck and Potato 114
A+ Canidae 119
A+ Foundations Chicken and Vegetable 109
A+ Flint River Ranch Fish and Chips 109
A+ Wysong Synorgon 110
A+ Flint River Ranch Lamb, Millet and Rice 117
A+ Back to Basics 107

B's
B Eukanuba Natural Lamb and Rice 87

C's
C Nutro Lamb and Rice 85

D's
D Iams Lamb and Rice 74

F's
F Pedigree Adult Complete 14
F Ol'Roy 9
F Science Diet Chicken Adult Maintainance 45
F Purina Beniful original 23
All Purina and Pro Plan foods rate as a F
F Pro Plan Giant Breed Adult 41
F Pro Plan Performance 53
F Pro Plan Chicken and Rice
F Purina Dog chow
F Purina Large Breed 40
F Diamond Lamb and Rice 61
F Diamond Performance (formerly professional)
F Diamond Large Breed 55

Here's the Canidae website.. http://www.canidae.com/dogs/all_life_sta (broken link)...

And the the Natural Balance website.. Dick Van Patten's Natural Balance® Pet Foods :1
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Old 01-10-2009, 08:49 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Go to www.dogfoodanalysis.com to see how your food rates. You don't want to be feeding your pup anything with a lower than 4 rating. We feed our 5 month old Taste of the Wild Pacific Stream, which is a fish based formula since he doesn't tolerate meat well. They also have venison/duck varieties. TOTW doesn't have ridiculous protein levels like most dog food out there, so it's great for puppies. We'll be switching him to Orijen when he's one. Many people that used to feed Canidae have now switched to others (Fromm, TOTW, Orijen) because of the recent formula change in Canidae, so I personally would avoid that one. Canidae is also known for some of the worst customer service out there and is very deceptive in their answers when you question any of their products. All the ones I mentioned are grain free, since dogs are carnivores and rice and corn in their food is nothing but a filler.

By the way, the test to see if your dog food is good that was posted above, I would take with a grain of salt. It rates Eukanuba and Nutro as beeing a fairly good food and they are some of the worst things on the market, filled with fillers and questionable protein sources. Try dogfoodanalysis.com. It's easier to use and tells you exactly why the food is good or bad.
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Old 01-10-2009, 09:46 AM
 
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Go to www.dogfoodanalysis.com to see how your food rates. You don't want to be feeding your pup anything with a lower than 4 rating. We feed our 5 month old Taste of the Wild Pacific Stream, which is a fish based formula since he doesn't tolerate meat well. They also have venison/duck varieties. TOTW doesn't have ridiculous protein levels like most dog food out there, so it's great for puppies. We'll be switching him to Orijen when he's one. Many people that used to feed Canidae have now switched to others (Fromm, TOTW, Orijen) because of the recent formula change in Canidae, so I personally would avoid that one. Canidae is also known for some of the worst customer service out there and is very deceptive in their answers when you question any of their products. All the ones I mentioned are grain free, since dogs are carnivores and rice and corn in their food is nothing but a filler.
I totally agree w/ this. We too switched from Canidae when they changed their processing. Our dog's main dry diet is Taste of the Wild too. I mix the Pacific Stream w/ the Bison. Even the little chihuahuas love it. They also get Embark from Honest Kitchen and Wysong.
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Old 01-10-2009, 10:55 AM
 
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You can check out dog food ratings here too.
Dog Food Reviews - Main Index - Powered by ReviewPost

There are several ppl who feed raw (BARF) here. You can do a search if you want to read some of the threads.
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Old 01-10-2009, 02:29 PM
 
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Not all dry food contains fillers. What are you feeding and what are the ingredients?, reading the labels is key to knowing what's good and what's not good for your puppy.
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Old 01-11-2009, 03:01 AM
 
Location: Alaska
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Raw food and Raw bones is the absolute best thing you can feed your pooch www.rawlearning.com. It is great that you asked and shows you want what's best for him/her. There is alot of information out there for anyone wanting to educate themselves on canine nutrition. Best of Luck!
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Old 01-11-2009, 03:03 AM
 
Location: Alaska
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Not all dry food contains fillers. What are you feeding and what are the ingredients?, reading the labels is key to knowing what's good and what's not good for your puppy.
Sorry but all dry kibble contains fillers and fiber, even the best of them. Kibble itself is bad for dogs and their teeth, just conveinent for owners, not the dogs
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Old 01-11-2009, 12:41 PM
 
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Not all dogs can handle raw. We have an English Bulldog and we tried raw. He had diarrhea for days after trying it. He's extremely sensitive and it took us several different brands to find one that agrees with him. Yes, we will try raw again once he is older, but for now, we'll stick to kibble. Our cat is on raw and loves it. While I agree that it is the best, it's important to know that not all dogs can handle it. DreamChaser, if you have some tips about how we can start the raw, we'd love to hear it. We have many pet food stores that sell only raw in this area (many different formulas of the prepackaged raw, made by Primal) so it would be very easy to feed him that. He just can't seem to stomach it, but loves it very much.
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Old 01-11-2009, 12:52 PM
 
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Not all dogs can handle raw. We have an English Bulldog and we tried raw. He had diarrhea for days after trying it. He's extremely sensitive and it took us several different brands to find one that agrees with him. Yes, we will try raw again once he is older, but for now, we'll stick to kibble. Our cat is on raw and loves it. While I agree that it is the best, it's important to know that not all dogs can handle it. DreamChaser, if you have some tips about how we can start the raw, we'd love to hear it. We have many pet food stores that sell only raw in this area (many different formulas of the prepackaged raw, made by Primal) so it would be very easy to feed him that. He just can't seem to stomach it, but loves it very much.
Animals can have pretty sensitive stomachs and so if you're going to change their diet you must do so very gradually. If you just switched him over to raw overnight I wouldn't be surprised he got diarrhea. You should transition over one or two weeks, gradually mixing in raw meat with the kibble. It might also help if you start giving him a probiotic with his meals.
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