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Old 09-03-2010, 12:37 AM
 
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Imagine what the increases would be if not for Obamacare? Thank you dear leader.
I sincerely hope you are being sarcastic.
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Old 09-03-2010, 01:05 AM
 
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Imagine what the increases would be if not for Obamacare? Thank you dear leader.
I sincerely hope you are being sarcastic.
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Old 09-10-2010, 07:43 PM
 
Location: state of procrastination
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Anyone blaming this healthcare bill for the insurance rates going up is WRONG. That's because we haven't actually implemented Obamacare yet!!! The insurance companies are just ruthless liars who will blame "Obamacare" so they can justify a fatter paycheck... a bunch of crooks. Which is why we should get rid of them all.

Obama warns insurance companies not to unnecessarily raise costs
"There are genuine cost drivers that are not caused by insurance companies. But what is also true is that we've got to make sure this new law is not being used as an excuse to simply drive up costs," the president said in a brief speech afterward. "The CEOs here today need to know that they're going to be required to justify unreasonable premium increases."
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Old 09-10-2010, 09:03 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles area
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Default Complex and multiple causes

This is a very complex area, and the reasons why health care costs so much are multiple and complex. They include insurance company greed, tort law (practicing medicine to include unnecessary tests and procedures with an eye to potential lawsuits), the high cost of high-tech diagnostic tools (such as MRI's and colonoscopies), and the reluctance in some quarters to stop extreme end-of-life measures in favor of hospice care.

There is one more reason and I want to emphasize it here: That is our own collective choices of poor health habits. About 20% of adult Americans still smoke, and while we rightly applaud the substantial reduction from 20 or 30 or 40 years ago, this still adds to the cost of health care. Obesity is huge (pardon the pun). There is something seriously wrong in a nation with our rates of obesity, i.e., our values and priorities are sick and skewed. Poor dietary choices and lack of exercise are of course related to obesity, but are also their own separate issues.
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Old 09-10-2010, 10:01 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Sept 23 some of the Obamacare mandates start..
-no more caps
-children cannot be denied for pre-existing conditions
-no more copay for preventative care

U.S. Rebukes Health Insurers - WSJ.com
"Beginning Sept. 23 or later, many new plans for individuals and small employers must begin letting children stay on their parents' insurance policies until age 26. These plans also face a requirement to eliminate co-payments for preventive care, give coverage to children regardless of pre-existing medical conditions and eliminate lifetime coverage caps."
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Old 09-10-2010, 10:18 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Sure, why not? The health care industry can charge whatever fees they want for services. Everybody is forced to buy insurance from private sector, who has no interest whatsoever in keeping costs down, they just raise premiums to cover the payout.

Let's say the insurance companies can charge 10% over costs. 10% of two-trillion is a hell of a lot more than 10% of one trillion. They're lovin' it.
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Old 09-11-2010, 08:07 AM
 
Location: Nebraska
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Imagine what the increases would be if not for Obamacare? Thank you dear leader.
much lower? This is the dumbest post I've ever seen. It's economics 101, when you add to demand (with only a limited supply) then costs go up. This is the same reason tuition costs have outpaced inflation (DUE to government intervention). Every student loan is guaranteed by the government. So banks are willing to lend to students with absolutely no credit history, because the government backs their loans. So you have a limited supply of Universities, but a spike in demand...so what happens? Increased costs. It's not rocket science. Take away the demand, and costs go down. Same thing with the housing market (now nearly 96% of ALL mortgages from banks are guaranteed by the government). Imagine if the gov't got out? Housing prices would fall substantially more from where they have already fallen. Thus allowing Americans the ability to AFFORD a house rather than just being able to afford a mortgage payment.
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Old 09-11-2010, 09:10 AM
 
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It may be a bit early . . . but . . . . I am calling "Bubble" on the whole industry.

When this one pops and crashes, it is going to be very ugly all the way up.

Picture former $500K a year surgeons on the street corner holding signs . . .

"Will Operate For Food."
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Old 09-11-2010, 08:45 PM
 
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The re4al hike is when they dump half of those uninsured on medicaid. The real effect that will cme is in 2017 when the states lose the help the feds because of the huge increases coming.Those people alos will have no option to buy in the pool.This is just the start of the rising prices as empoyers satrt to figure leagcy cost that will effect their borrowing and rising funds.
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Old 09-11-2010, 09:06 PM
 
Location: Apple Valley Calif
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Anyone blaming this healthcare bill for the insurance rates going up is WRONG. That's because we haven't actually implemented Obamacare yet!!!
You are just wrong...! Insurance companies are jacking rates way up now to get a jump on Obamacare, for they know the rates will skyrocket once the new law kick in. They are getting ready fo the Hell this bill will cause.
fortunately, Obamacare will be repealed after the November elections. Obama and his corrupt administration will soon be out of power and unable to destroy America...
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