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Old 09-18-2010, 07:31 AM
 
Location: Planet Eaarth
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" There is a tsunami of poverty sweeping the United States, and somebody better wake up and do something about it. More handouts will help people get by in the short-term, but there is no way that the federal government can financially support tens of millions more poor Americans.

How long is it going to be before the "safety net" simply collapses under the weight of all this poverty?

The path we are on is not sustainable."


20 Signs That The Economic Collapse Has Already Begun For One Out Of Every Seven Americans
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Old 09-18-2010, 01:09 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Your link is to a blog. The same blog site that your "Where Are The Jobs?" thread linked to.

It is a blog site that is predicated on the premise that the economy will collapse, and then indexes subjective blogs that fabricate rationalizations that support that premise, but exclude any data that would suggest the contrary.

Opinion pieces warranting impending and incontrovertible economic doom have been appearing regularly, based on equally convincing data, at least since the 70's, but so far, they've all been wrong. Or else the promised economic collapse took place without affecting very many people.

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Old 09-18-2010, 01:56 PM
 
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there always be those that always see the gass is half empty,or the sky is falling.

will they be right? perhaps one day

but until them i only plan and live my life based on whats is,what was,and what has a reasonable good chance of continuing and i turn off all the noise like this stuff.
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Old 09-19-2010, 12:24 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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The same blog that states on the main page that environmentalists are tagging you and tracking you with RFID's?

LOL! I thought it was like The Onion, and was a joke. People really believe this?
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Old 09-19-2010, 01:27 AM
 
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" There is a tsunami of poverty sweeping the United States, and somebody better wake up and do something about it. More handouts will help people get by in the short-term, but there is no way that the federal government can financially support tens of millions more poor Americans.

How long is it going to be before the "safety net" simply collapses under the weight of all this poverty?

The path we are on is not sustainable."

20 Signs That The Economic Collapse Has Already Begun For One Out Of Every Seven Americans
The poverty level is the same as it was in 1994. Nothing to brag about, but the real problem isn't welfare, but Social Security & Medicare/Medicaid, with the medical expenses actually being a bigger burden than Social Security. Everyone from across the political spectrum agrees with this. But no one is willing to takcle it because not enough Americans are willing to face the reality of the situation.

It's kind of distressing because I think we could have decent health care at 1/2 the price we pay now. A good chunk of the health care bill could be avoided by abandoning junk foods.
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Old 09-19-2010, 10:30 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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The poverty level is the same as it was in 1994. Nothing to brag about, but the real problem isn't welfare, but Social Security & Medicare/Medicaid, with the medical expenses actually being a bigger burden than Social Security. Everyone from across the political spectrum agrees with this. But no one is willing to takcle it because not enough Americans are willing to face the reality of the situation.

It's kind of distressing because I think we could have decent health care at 1/2 the price we pay now. A good chunk of the health care bill could be avoided by abandoning junk foods.
Your misinformation about SS and MC was disseminated to you from the same kinds of sources as the blogs in the OP of this thread. SS is not in any trouble at all, is secure through 2038 as it is, and will require only small adjustments to carry well beyond that date. Exactly the same arguments were used in the 1980s to promise that SS would be bankrupt and penniless by 2010. Guess what.

Have you considered that if all Americans abandoned junk foods, how many millions of people working in the junk food producing and marketing and supporting industries would lose their jobs and their stock portfolio values? You want to find jobs for the 5-million unemployed? Let's all start eating nothing but junk food. Presto.

Aren't jobs the most important issue in America today? There you go, an instant solution to the only problem that exists in this country. Eat Junk Food = Jobs.
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Old 09-19-2010, 06:41 PM
 
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Have you considered that if all Americans abandoned junk foods, how many millions of people working in the junk food producing and marketing and supporting industries would lose their jobs and their stock portfolio values? You want to find jobs for the 5-million unemployed? Let's all start eating nothing but junk food. Presto.

Aren't jobs the most important issue in America today? There you go, an instant solution to the only problem that exists in this country. Eat Junk Food = Jobs.
While what you say, above, is true, it is a sad nd unfortunate truth. We have jobs in sectors that are ruining our national health, driving up healthcare costs for tests and procedures etc that we wouldn't have to have if we were eating healthier. Jobs in the junk food sector should transfer to jobs in the preventative health sector. If the gov't wants to jump in they could at least do something helpful, like give education grants for people to retrain in fields like preventative health, nutrition, wellness & exercise, small organic farming, building sustainable and walkable commuities, and alternative forms of energy. But that's not where the huge corporate bucks are! The big bucks are in junk food, diseases, dependent communities, and fuel sources that are ravaging our earth. Leadership with vision can make the changes we and our planet need, but...less profit for the big guys who are sending our jobs out of the country (look at your food labels, even the ones from Whole Foods, and see how many of them are processed in China--where the processing standards are..??, shipped all the way over here, and costing us a fortune to buy).
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Old 09-20-2010, 01:34 AM
 
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The US economy has had a rather long relationship with debt and despair, from time to time the collective wealth of our government has has been utilized to save the capitalists from themselves. In that sense the economy has never been something that was/is set up to address the furtherance of the common mans interests. As far as collapsing in a short burst of negative activity I suppose that may be something to consider, but I've observed the tendencies in media to pump up the amperage in all things economic, if the news guy can sound desperate and angry chances are the proles will respond with a similar tone in their own commentaries, be it around the water cooler or back in the alley dumpin trash, or of course on the web. Angry demands substitute for debate, People gettin more ammo, fear mongers coming out of every nook and cranny to rally the troops in defense of the Fatherland, oops, I mean homeland. You can see how this works, and we know it worked before, fear was harnessed to a rogue political movement, and from there anything was possible.

I'm hoping that at the very least Americans will remember when another country was in dire straits economically and consequently went on a rampage that took the lives of millions. Another day another dollar, that's the level most americans are operating on economically, most don't even understand the basic principals of finance or who or what drives the markets. Jim Hightower said the low men don't want to hear the prices of stocks on the Dow Jones, they want to know the prices of beater cars down at Doug Jones. Good humor but probably more to the point than most financial types would like to believe. Those who have too much are already feeling the slightest pinch while those with too little are truly going down fast, unfortunately that is the capitalistic theory in practice. Oh the Profs can make it all sound so academic and mechanical, but all economic theories have a real impact on real people. I'm guessing that the unmaking of the US economy could take some time, but, time is all it will take. Nobody knows for sure what the future holds but we do have histories that point to the possibility that empires never last anyway.
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Old 09-20-2010, 03:55 AM
 
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Systematic de-industrialization has been going on in America for 30+ years. And it's not going to end any time soon. Capital has been fleeing America for just as long. That's why we are in debt, that's why our infrastructure is crumbling, and that is why manufacturing is dead. How is the US economy supposed to compete with a country like China where people are willing to work for pennies on the dollar with terrible worker's rights and environmental regulation? Globalization is a race to the bottom and the only people making huge profits off it are the elitist politicians and multinational corporations who have them in their pockets.

Americans need to wake up!
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Old 09-20-2010, 01:35 PM
 
Location: Planet Eaarth
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Your link is to a blog. The same blog site that your "Where Are The Jobs?" thread linked to.

It is a blog site that is predicated on the premise that the economy will collapse, and then indexes subjective blogs that fabricate rationalizations that support that premise, but exclude any data that would suggest the contrary.

Opinion pieces warranting impending and incontrovertible economic doom have been appearing regularly, based on equally convincing data, at least since the 70's, but so far, they've all been wrong. Or else the promised economic collapse took place without affecting very many people.
So what if the source is a blog??? Last time I looked CD was still a Discussion forum where folk's offered their opinion of the topic......the same as a blog does.

So what the problem here??
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