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Old 10-08-2010, 05:20 PM
 
Location: Planet Eaarth
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The wheel is turning with the American middle class drawing closer & closer to the bottom.........

"Meanwhile, the U.S. economy is being rapidly assimilated into the emerging one world economy. Middle class American workers now find themselves in direct competition for jobs with the cheapest labor on the other side of the globe. Of course many multinational corporations have taken advantage of this by moving factories and jobs to countries like China where blue collar workers make about a dollar an hour. This has helped raise the standard of living for workers in those nations by a nominal amount, but it has been absolutely devastating for the standard of living of America's middle class."

27 Signs That The Standard Of Living For America’s Middle Class Is Dropping Like A Rock
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Old 10-08-2010, 06:38 PM
 
Location: Business ethics is an oxymoron.
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So how about all those family owned businesses like drug stores and hardware stores-that were pillars of their community. You know they sponsored the local baseball team, knew you by your first name, and were there for six decades?

And how untold numbers of them went belly up so you can get sprinkler heads and Tylenol for ten cents cheaper at Wal-Mart and Home Depot?

Not saying that this country isn't in a world of trouble. But let's face it. We as consumers brought a lot of it on ourselves. It took awhile, but we really did spend a dollar to save a dime.
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Old 10-08-2010, 06:45 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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So how about all those family owned businesses like drug stores and hardware stores-that were pillars of their community. You know they sponsored the local baseball team, knew you by your first name, and were there for six decades?

And how untold numbers of them went belly up so you can get sprinkler heads and Tylenol for ten cents cheaper at Wal-Mart and Home Depot?

Not saying that this country isn't in a world of trouble. But let's face it. We as consumers brought a lot of it on ourselves. It took awhile, but we really did spend a dollar to save a dime.
Yup..strip malls and big box stores that "talk" about community involvement but they really don't.

Most of our Mom & Pop stores are now gone and replaced with a generic Anytown USA strip mall with the same flavor of stores.
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Old 10-08-2010, 07:43 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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So how about all those family owned businesses like drug stores and hardware stores-that were pillars of their community. You know they sponsored the local baseball team, knew you by your first name, and were there for six decades?
And that is because the Middle Class abandoned them.

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And how untold numbers of them went belly up so you can get sprinkler heads and Tylenol for ten cents cheaper at Wal-Mart and Home Depot?
And that is because the Middle Class abandoned them.

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Not saying that this country isn't in a world of trouble. But let's face it. We as consumers brought a lot of it on ourselves. It took awhile, but we really did spend a dollar to save a dime.
I could not agree more. I guess the question is, how much money did they really save in the end?
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Old 10-08-2010, 08:47 PM
 
Location: Near a river
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And that is because the Middle Class abandoned them.

And that is because the Middle Class abandoned them.

I could not agree more. I guess the question is, how much money did they really save in the end?
The middle class went to Walmart for their kids clothes b/c the clothes on Main Street became too d*** expensive. A pair of jeans on Main Street (where my generation shopped) is at least 10% or 20% more than a pair of jeans at Walmart. Why? Because Main Street rents went up out of sight and it's cheaper to warehouse stuff in a mall. A middle class paycheck just doesn't go so far anymore, in case some haven't heard. In going to Walmart, they save what they have to. The Main Street stores now cater to the folks with bigger bucks (I'd guess you'd call this the upper classes). They deserve the better stuff of course and don't have to stoop to Walmart.
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Old 10-08-2010, 09:19 PM
 
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Lookig at teh numbers od people eating out by incrase in nmber of resturants;level of cars and numbers; non-essentail things bought;I would say that midddle class has changed alot since say the 50's. That is why I really don't think it really means much anymore to say middle class.
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Old 10-08-2010, 10:48 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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The middle class went to Walmart for their kids clothes b/c the clothes on Main Street became too d*** expensive.
Hand-me-downs work just fine. So do jeans at the Salvation Army Thrift Shop and the Goodwill Stores.

You don't need a new pair of jeans every other week, and you certainly don't need to be buying designer jeans for children. Children can get a job and buy their own designer jeans if they "need" them.

Home-made clothes are cheap too.
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Old 10-09-2010, 08:28 AM
 
Location: North Texas
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So how about all those family owned businesses like drug stores and hardware stores-that were pillars of their community. You know they sponsored the local baseball team, knew you by your first name, and were there for six decades?

And how untold numbers of them went belly up so you can get sprinkler heads and Tylenol for ten cents cheaper at Wal-Mart and Home Depot?

Not saying that this country isn't in a world of trouble. But let's face it. We as consumers brought a lot of it on ourselves. It took awhile, but we really did spend a dollar to save a dime.
Not all of us do that. I don't. I was never a frequent Wal-Mart shopper but I did hit Target fairly regularly. Not anymore. I have my own reasons for boycotting Target but an extra benefit of it is even though I pay a little more for those same items elsewhere, I am saving money overall because there is little to no temptation to impulse-buy at these non-super-stores.

I'll be going to my local hardware store today for some white paint (both latex and oil) but I do go to Home Depot for some things. My local hardware store is pretty small and it's good for basics but not much else. But I shop local first, always.

Sadly there is not a family-owned pharmacy in this area that will accept my insurance; there's only one independent pharmacy anyway. Since my carrier is the near-ubiquitous BCBS, I do wonder how they stay in business.
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Old 10-09-2010, 09:48 AM
 
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So how about all those family owned businesses like drug stores and hardware stores-that were pillars of their community. You know they sponsored the local baseball team, knew you by your first name, and were there for six decades?

And how untold numbers of them went belly up so you can get sprinkler heads and Tylenol for ten cents cheaper at Wal-Mart and Home Depot?
The demise of local businesses may not just be due to big box stores. It may be a lack of support from the local government. In another thread, I talk about how our small business neighborhood is struggling with crime. The city's position is that 1) it's not the city's responsibility to provide protection and 2) we should hire our own security patrol. We are small business. We're paying high property taxes. We can't afford our own security patrol.

And this isn't the first time that we've encountered this attitude from the city: that its role is to govern us, not support us. I.e. It doesn't serve us; we serve it. To sustain a healthy community, each has to serve the other.

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Old 10-09-2010, 11:14 AM
 
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Basically for cities to provide actual individual security would mean much higher taxes. They are not and have never been in the private secuirty business.In many areas ;small business in a area hire private security that covers their local area businesses;just as neighborhoods do.
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