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Old 03-14-2011, 07:18 PM
 
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lol

how did ethynol work out?

the government shoulnd't be in the business of trying to direct our behavior certain ways or subsidizing one energy or product over another
Ahhh, but they already do. They already do. Cars. Big Oil. Highways. All Subsidized.

Conservatives don't like to hear it , but driving a private automobile in the USA is probably one of THE most socialistic things you can do. It makes the concept of nationalized health care look like simple a kid's birthday party.
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Old 03-14-2011, 09:27 PM
 
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I think bicycle commuting is a great idea in certain areas. In our area, it is done regularly and cars are used to sharing the road with bicycles. (mostly). But I guess the main holdup to putting in bicycle specific paths and shoulders is that the states would have to have the budget to maintain and in$ure these. And they have repeatedly said they do not have the $$$ to do so.
A good Mountain bike is very sturdy and can hold up well to the urban pothole.
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Old 03-14-2011, 10:12 PM
 
Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Its not about lack of money, its about a lack of desire. But also, there is a problem in the case of bikes. State, local, etc governments can tax car owners via fuel taxes, registration fees, etc and bikers get off free.
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Old 03-15-2011, 04:47 AM
 
Location: Tulsa, OK
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Imagine cycling 20 miles one way to work each morning...taking 2 hours instead of 30 minutes...arriving all sweaty and dirty and smelly...

Now imagine having to repeat that in the evening...

Now imagine having to do that in a northern tier state...in December...when your both your morning and evening commutes will be in the dark and when the temperature will be in the teens...

Imagine either buying a cheap $500 bicycle every three months to replace the one that wore out from 2,500+ miles of use or having to buy an expensive $1,500-$2,000 bicycle every year to replace the one that wore out from 10,000+ miles of use...
Imagine work places with shower options for their employees, buying a dependable bike that you don't have to replace and not living 20 miles from where you work to begin with.

I respect your lifestyle, but realize that a lot of us genuinely want a change and would prefer bike commuting. We just need a little help. Your reward will be less commuters in your way as you grind it in from the suburbs.
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Old 03-15-2011, 04:49 AM
 
Location: Tulsa, OK
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I agree with this, but cities and towns are BROKE and will not in the near future be able to do any serious redesign and restructuring. One city I know of in the Midwest nearly ran its mayor out of town after he implemented an impressive network of biking/walking trails within the city, and this is a supposedly progressive town! go figure.
What city?
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Old 03-15-2011, 04:52 AM
 
Location: Tulsa, OK
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Its not about lack of money, its about a lack of desire. But also, there is a problem in the case of bikes. State, local, etc governments can tax car owners via fuel taxes, registration fees, etc and bikers get off free.
Car owners burden the infrastructure and cost the country billions a year, bike riders take pressure away from the infrastructure. You shouldn't tax something that's not a burden on your infrastructure.
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Old 03-15-2011, 05:14 AM
 
Location: New York metropolitan area
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Not true since only a tiny percentage of cost would be incurred to support a bicycle infrastructure.

People who whine about bicycles can't fathom the idea of not being able to drive whenever wherever they want to. THAT is what's called SPOILED!
Bicycles are only useful to a fraction of the population. Cars are faster, they protect you from the elements, and you don't need to be in top physical shape to use them for commuting. Where are people whining about bicycles? Do you hold other people in contempt too easily?
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Old 03-15-2011, 07:36 AM
 
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Imagine work places with shower options for their employees, buying a dependable bike that you don't have to replace and not living 20 miles from where you work to begin with.

I respect your lifestyle, but realize that a lot of us genuinely want a change and would prefer bike commuting. We just need a little help. Your reward will be less commuters in your way as you grind it in from the suburbs.
Sorry, but the difference between my imagination and yours is that mine is actually real-world experience for me.

Seriously, I've lived in a house that I own for the past 20 years. I've also worked for the same company for the past 10 years. In those 10 years, my company has moved my workplace 6 times and each of the first 5 times the move was about 20 miles away but always in different north, south and west directions. I just can't fathom having to sell my house and rent an apartment so that I can move every two years.

The bottom line is that bicycle commuting isn't a one-size fits all solution.

Having said that, I'm now in a situation where I just might be able to combine bus transit and bicycle commuting...and I'm going to pull the old side-walk cruiser out of the garage and start riding it around the neighborhood again. If I can within a month work up to going 4 or 6 miles without becoming totally drenched in sweat I'll consider a different commuting method.
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Old 03-15-2011, 08:10 AM
 
Location: Troy, Il
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I hate bicyclist, especially when they are on the highway. Usually there is not enough room to pass with on-coming traffic. Ever been stuck behind someone going 10 miles an hour? Infuriating!! So i usually stick my head out of the window and yell "Go back to colorado!" I dont actually say that but i want to....anyways, I drive accross four states to go to work so it would probably take me 4 or 5 days instead of 10 hours.
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Old 03-15-2011, 11:05 AM
 
Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Car owners burden the infrastructure and cost the country billions a year, bike riders take pressure away from the infrastructure. You shouldn't tax something that's not a burden on your infrastructure.
Bikers use the infrastructure and hence should pay for it. If cities started to move more towards a bike-centric culture they'd need to find ways of taxing bikers.
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