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Old 05-31-2011, 01:49 PM
 
Location: Pacific Northwest
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What the younger generation has figured out that the older generation still has it's head in the sand about is this: It does absolutely NO good to vote. It's a complete waste of time because it's a smokescreen.

That meaning it gives the sheeple the impression that they have some say in matters when the reality IS that the only laws/people elected etc are going to be the ones that benefit a very small minority of people in this country. That being the 2-3 % elite. And the only people elected will be one of two or more puppets willing to do their bidding.

If you always ask yourself, who does it benefit if such and such is passed or so-and-so is elected, it makes things MUCH clearer. Because very little of what is passed or who is elected ever seems to change things better for the masses.

This is life out of the Matrix, folks. Not always fun, but at least realistic.[/quote]

k:

100% correct!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you ! It's nice to know there ARE others out there who understand this
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Old 05-31-2011, 01:50 PM
 
Location: Pacific Northwest
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I asked myself the same thing .. I generally consider being called a "liar" to be an insult.
Actually, I wasn't calling you a liar, I was calling the whole "Work hard and benefit from it ..." a lie. Do you want to talk about reading comprehension some more now ?
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Old 05-31-2011, 02:11 PM
 
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Yes, I do.

An example:
In that last post I mentioned the employment section of C-D.
There is a thread going on now titled " Living Wage by Region " in which the OP rather innocently asks:
So, what would you consider the lowest possible wage to be a good living wage (middle class) in the following major cities?

This perfectly exemplifies the disconnect of understanding observed between generations... the difference between a NEED (the living wage usually described in the context of subsistence) and WANT by characterizing a typical US middle class existence as an example of such.

How's that?

I don't think even the Country Club kids of the older generations would characterize a middle class life: the decent home, furniture, food in the pantry, reliable car, wardrobe, money for travel and a social life, and so forth as the subsistence that the term "living wage" means.

And I genuinely don't believe the issue is just the semantics or vocabulary.
I see it as deeply rooted misunderstanding of what poor and hungry really are.
I've made the same observations, and I will concede that my generation has a high and somewhat arbitrary standard of what constitutes 'need,' or a 'living wage.'

Yet, that's the norm for this country, since we have historically become wealthier every passing year. Standards ought to get higher. And that's a bit of a red herring in regards to the discussion of the capital flows going on in this country, the zero-sum aspects of a game of who is fairly and unfairly profiting off of whom thanks to government regulation or nonregulation.

When you talk about who owns stocks and housing assets in this country, it is the boomers. Whether you talk about the asset holders of the top 50%, 25%, 10%, top 5%, top 1%, you're always talking about boomers.

On one hand, sure, that's normal and expected for older people to have more wealth. On the other hand, the rich have been getting richer very rapidly in past decades, based largely on debt, aka the obligations and productivity of future americans; if you are young and not insanely rich, it's hard not to see our political and financial systems designed for generational/class warfare. My grandparents are in their late 80's, invested conservatively (CD's, savings accounts), and have have done ok... but were left in the dust by the dumb luck risk takers (boomer policy).

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Old 05-31-2011, 02:21 PM
 
Location: The Triad (NC)
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I've made the same observations, and I will concede that my generation has a high and somewhat arbitrary standard of what constitutes 'need,' or a 'living wage.' Yet,...
Yet... you expend effort attempting to justify it.

Again... the how and why of the world are largely immaterial.
Enough already.

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The rich have been getting richer, statistically, based largely on...
... on leveraging investment and risk.
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Old 05-31-2011, 03:30 PM
 
Location: West Orange, NJ
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I dont really blame the baby boomers, but the politicians. The baby boomers certainly produced terrible politicians, policies, CEOs, business practices, leaders, etc.

On an individual basis they never meant to screw us over like they did, but collectively they did.
this is a good point. but i don't give the voters a pass in history. the boomers have continued to elect individuals that promised them benefits while reducing taxes. whether they did this individually or collectively, they kept kicking the can down the road.

but, us in the younger generation don't get a pass either. we stayed at home and didn't go out and vote in local, state, and national elections. we let them run the country. sure...they have greater numbers than we do but if we showed up, we could have helped shape the narrative that politicians followed. politicians have very little reason to do anything to benefit the younger generations, since we don't really show up and vote.

as for boomers looking down at gen-x...it's a cultural difference. at my old job, some of the older folks didn't like us younger folks doing work while listening to ipods. yet i see plenty of older folks with radios on their desks. for some reason, having the headphones on is less professional than having a radio playing in an office....????? it's just generational differences.
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Old 05-31-2011, 03:40 PM
 
Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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There is NO "systematic generational theft", just everyone (old and young) trying to grab a piece of the pie before the other guy, like it's always been since our kind gave up swinging in the trees.
Of course there is systematic theft, rephrasing it doesn't change it. The obvious example is the deficit, the boomers were able to get by with less taxes by growing the deficit and leaving it to their children to pay. Another example is housing, the government has made numerous efforts to keep real estate evaluations high and this is yet another transfer of wealth from the younger generations to the older.

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I'm 33 and have pretty much everything I want. Hard work, smart planning and realistic goals got me somewhere... why am I the only one?
I'm not sure why you think you're the only 30 something that is doing fine, furthermore you're not Gen-Y so I'm not sure why you're using your personal experience anyways.

I must say though, I'm allergic to hard work and I never made any particular plans when I was younger, just sorta went to college studying what I found interesting. And yet....I'm doing great. So being lazy, not planning and not being particularly realistic got me somewhere.
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Old 05-31-2011, 03:59 PM
 
Location: West Orange, NJ
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Um, I'm 35, and I haven't missed one of the HUGE differences between younger folks today and people of my parents' generation:

People today want at 25 what it took our parents till 40 to earn. They want it all RIGHT NOW. They is no sense of delayed gratification. And when they wind up screwed financially or can't have what they want, they blame everyone else for setting up some 'system' that stole their 'opportunity.'

Give me a freakin' break.

You can't have a house in your 20s. Deal with it.
You can't have a $30,000 car in your 20s. Deal with it.

My parents came to this country with nothing...their apartment had a mattress and a spoon...and they still managed to have the time of their lives...and BUILT THEIR LIVES OVER TIME...my dad was in his late 40s before he could by a half a million dollar house...since 1985, they have bought TWO NEW CARS...they have kept their cars (a Toyota and a Plymouth) and driven them into the ground...people my age have a new Lexus every five seconds...

It's just mind-boggling how financially inept and how geared towards instant gratification this latest crop of adults is...it's embarrassing to be associated with them sometimes.
what did a car cost for your parents when they were in their 20s? what was the cost of a house for your parents, when they were in their 20s? the world is quite different now. my parents had a good amount of things in their 20s and 30s, on basically 1 income and some part time work my mom did. i'm not saying i don't have a good amount of things at 29, but i'm getting them on 2 incomes, pretty good incomes.
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Old 05-31-2011, 04:03 PM
 
Location: Sinking in the Great Salt Lake
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Of course there is systematic theft, rephrasing it doesn't change it. The obvious example is the deficit, the boomers were able to get by with less taxes by growing the deficit and leaving it to their children to pay. Another example is housing, the government has made numerous efforts to keep real estate evaluations high and this is yet another transfer of wealth from the younger generations to the older.


I'm not sure why you think you're the only 30 something that is doing fine, furthermore you're not Gen-Y so I'm not sure why you're using your personal experience anyways.

I must say though, I'm allergic to hard work and I never made any particular plans when I was younger, just sorta went to college studying what I found interesting. And yet....I'm doing great. So being lazy, not planning and not being particularly realistic got me somewhere.
Yet you have a bone to pick because you feel victimized by the older folks?
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Old 05-31-2011, 04:39 PM
 
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Fanman pretty much nailed this one...although I will admit not all Boomers fit the what is described. Boomers also did have to deal with a tough recession in the early 80s. But for the most part, the Boomers who think the younger generation is so entitled needs to look in the mirror. The Boomers who scream about the younger people being entitled are usually the most entitled of all. Quick to notice it in others, but never in themselves.
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Old 05-31-2011, 04:45 PM
 
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On an individual basis they never meant to screw us over like they did, but collectively they did.
That's how most selfishness works.
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