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Old 05-31-2011, 03:48 PM
 
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It's just my opinion but this country is running the it is because of the clowns we sent to Washington. Want it to stop? Don't send in the clowns. Surprisingly, a very large group, both young and old, aren't happy with the way things are going. It's not just a generational thing.
The problem is that politicians are corrupt clowns by nature. They are also pawns of big money and special interests. The citizens could take control but that would require concerted long term effort and sacrifice on their part and they don't want to do that.
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Old 05-31-2011, 03:59 PM
 
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"Full" employment would not solve those issues. Our unaffordable housing market and healthcare overspending were not caused by problems in the labor market.
Amen! What planet does Mr. Rational live on? Health care in particular is pathetic. We spend more on health care than any other country, and what do we get? An overweight/obese majority population that is dependent on expensive pills that wouldn't be needed if they just ate right. This isn't totally the Boomers fault...but they've done nothing to rein in health care costs and have had ample opportunity. Instead, they've thrown more and more money at a long-broken system.

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But it turns out those housing subsidies to prop up the housing market were also a waste. Housing prices are falling again.
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Old 05-31-2011, 04:04 PM
 
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It's just mind-boggling how financially inept and how geared towards instant gratification this latest crop of adults is...it's embarrassing to be associated with them sometimes.
I agree with you, but as Chango pointed out, it was the Boomers who instilled this mentality in their kids...and now they're compaining about it. Well, duh, what did they expect?

Your parents are immigrants, so they weren't infected with the disease of hyperconsumption that other Boomers were.
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Old 05-31-2011, 04:24 PM
 
Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Yet you have a bone to pick because you feel victimized by the older folks?
Bone to pick? No, just describing the reality of the situation. I'm not in generation Y. But I'll admit, I'm not particularly fond of boomers, they way they think is a bit nauseating.

This is the thing too, there are a lot of people in my cohort that aren't fond of them and will kick them to the curb as we gain positions of power.
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Old 05-31-2011, 04:28 PM
 
Location: The Triad (NC)
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This isn't totally the Boomers fault...
I love this monolithic attribution.
It's like everyone born before some arbitrary date is in some sort of hive mind.

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...but they've done nothing to rein in health care costs and have had ample opportunity.
So, however much fun or satisfying it might be to vent...
now that you all have demonstrated such deep understanding of all the causes and effects and the 30-60 year old reasoning that so many who came before your insight was available are or were just oblivious to...

What's the answer?
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Old 05-31-2011, 10:23 PM
 
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I love this monolithic attribution.
It's like everyone born before some arbitrary date is in some sort of hive mind.
I believe it was in that very same post that I admitted that not all Boomers are guilty, but collectively, they are.


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So, however much fun or satisfying it might be to vent...
now that you all have demonstrated such deep understanding of all the causes and effects and the 30-60 year old reasoning that so many who came before your insight was available are or were just oblivious to...

What's the answer?
The answer for health care reform is in FOOD reform. We can not continue giving people expensive pills and surgeries for long term chronic diseases that are largely preventable. We must change the food culture in the United States. More about that here:

www.forksoverknives.com
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Old 05-31-2011, 10:34 PM
 
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What the younger generation has figured out that the older generation still has it's head in the sand about is this: It does absolutely NO good to vote. It's a complete waste of time because it's a smokescreen.

That meaning it gives the sheeple the impression that they have some say in matters when the reality IS that the only laws/people elected etc are going to be the ones that benefit a very small minority of people in this country. That being the 2-3 % elite. And the only people elected will be one of two or more puppets willing to do their bidding.

If you always ask yourself, who does it benefit if such and such is passed or so-and-so is elected, it makes things MUCH clearer. Because very little of what is passed or who is elected ever seems to change things better for the masses.

This is life out of the Matrix, folks. Not always fun, but at least realistic.[/quote]

k:

100% correct!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't completely agree...but close enough. I don't think voting is completely useless...but voting en masse, all by itself, will not be enough to change things for the masses. It's going to require real sacrifice for a long period of time on the part of the masses to unseat the eilite and the puppets who do their bidding. Problem is, the masses don't want to make the required sacrifices.
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Old 05-31-2011, 10:45 PM
 
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Exactly. For the Gen Y crowd hardship is a dead cell-phone or laptop battery, or no Wi-Fi access. You'd think the world ended or something.
I don't have a laptop or wi-fi...but I don't like this attitude. Laptops & wi-fi are how business is done. They are no longer luxuries any more... in the same way that owning a car is not a luxury if you live in the typical auto-dependent sprawl that exists in most of America. Why don't people see this?
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Old 05-31-2011, 10:52 PM
 
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What the younger generation has figured out that the older generation still has it's head in the sand about is this: It does absolutely NO good to vote. It's a complete waste of time because it's a smokescreen.

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That meaning it gives the sheeple the impression that they have some say in matters when the reality IS that the only laws/people elected etc are going to be the ones that benefit a very small minority of people in this country. That being the 2-3 % elite. And the only people elected will be one of two or more puppets willing to do their bidding.

If you always ask yourself, who does it benefit if such and such is passed or so-and-so is elected, it makes things MUCH clearer. Because very little of what is passed or who is elected ever seems to change things better for the masses.

This is life out of the Matrix, folks. Not always fun, but at least realistic.[/quote]

k:

100% correct!!!!!!
There's a movie that I think everyone who thinks like this ought to watch. Its "All the King's Men".

My favorite line from the movie is when the protagonist, Willie Stark, gets up and tells everyone "If you don't vote, you don't matter".

Just think what would happen if 70% of all the Millennials got together and worked out and agenda and would only support candidates who supported that agenda. For example, how about a law that all people 50 years and older have to pay a surcharge on social security and medicare taxes of 3%? It would do wonders to boost the fund for future recipients.

If you really believe voting doesn't matter and refuse to do it, you deserve to have the politicans ignore you. Those who don't vote will one day wake up and realize what they lost through sheer stupidity.
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Old 06-01-2011, 05:16 AM
 
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Yet... you expend effort attempting to justify it.
It is a fact. I don't omit facts because I find them politically inconvenient.

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Again... the how and why of the world are largely immaterial.
Enough already.
hah. Enough, indeed, after 7 pages we are back at square one, which is: I don't agree with you.
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