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Old 09-25-2011, 12:48 AM
 
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I think the only area where younger generations are lost is a deeply imbedded (by social control specialists) "idea" that social problems can be resolved through individual rat race They (and we all) behave like psychopathic isolated rats trampling each other to the way out. Other than that they are no more lost than any previous generation.
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Old 09-25-2011, 12:55 AM
 
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I think the only area where younger generations are lost is a deeply imbedded (by social control specialists) "idea" that social problems can be resolved through individual rat race They (and we all) behave like psychopathic isolated rats trampling each other on the way out. Other than that they are no more lost than any previous generation.
Every Generation has to find it's way...

Some would say these are the golden generation... never before have medical advances and nutritional understanding benefited us more.

The world is connected with some of the top companies being U.S. based and some didn't even exist 10 years ago.

The biggest fear of many of the seasoned citizens I know was if they would ever see home again after their mandatory military service.

The environment is far cleaner than in it was for past generations.

The Social Safety Net today is beyond the wildest imagination of anything those that came before us could imagine.

Just about everything from cars, planes, homes to baby cribs is safer today.

People still come to America and make a go of it... the Dream still exists.
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Old 09-25-2011, 01:39 AM
 
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Please allow me to reality check you:

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Every Generation has to find it's way...
Some would say these are the golden generation... never before have medical advances and nutritional understanding benefited us more.
Funny, 100 years ago they didn't have all these cancers etc that we have now. The ARTIFICIAL ADDITIVES and Growth Hormones are (Many believe) largely to blame for everything from birth defects to cancers.

Doubt it? Cut open a chicken that's been 'quick grown' look at all the tumors.

Oh, and you mean the medical procedures that many can't afford?


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The world is connected with some of the top companies being U.S. based and some didn't even exist 10 years ago.
Some... but in large part the golden days of the US belong to the earlier 2 generations. We are inheriting the waning empire.


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The biggest fear of many of the seasoned citizens I know was if they would ever see home again after their mandatory military service.
BTDT


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The environment is far cleaner than in it was for past generations.
No.
PERHAPS if you just want to look in certain areas, in certain years. Now we have pollutants even IN our genetically modified foods!


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The Social Safety Net today is beyond the wildest imagination of anything those that came before us could imagine.
HAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It DOESN'T EXIST for our generation as a serious consideration. (Except in what it will STEAL from us before it's final death streak!


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Just about everything from cars, planes, homes to baby cribs is safer today.
100 years ago cribs wern't made from plastics but wood. Last I checked wood didn't have all those nice chemicals in it. This could go ether way .


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People still come to America and make a go of it... the Dream still exists.
Yes, some do.

To take American jobs.


-Please not, I'm not one of the incessant 'complainers' about it on here.
Just setting a few things straight.
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Old 09-25-2011, 02:02 AM
 
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Other periods in time have been worse. Yes, it is tough right now, but it could be worse. It could be much worse.

Don't worry, it is going to get much worse.
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Old 09-25-2011, 02:11 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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I mean tuition at more than 100 major universities is $3,000 or less, so how could someone possibly rack up $80,000 in student loans for $12,000 worth of education?
I'd like to see the list of these schools. Now maybe $3,000/quarter is what you read.
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Old 09-25-2011, 02:12 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles, Ca
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Your critique of the baby boomer gen is spot on. BTW, I am part of it.

However, no one could have projected just how abominable this present situation is, and yes, now its easy to say (accurately) America's best days are past tense. That changed what could easily be projected apples-to-apples to become the inverse.
The boomers are about gains. I had a history teacher in highschool who personified that.

It's a mindset. They are very detail oriented. It's a different mindset than the lost generation.

They know if they're being short changed 5 cents out of a dollar. And they know what that would accrue to. Boomers don't want to miss small gains. 5 cents here. A benefit here. Look at this cry over the retirement age? Should it be 65? 67? They worry about small details (while younger generations face much larger, more uncertain problems). That can affect their entire career path.

I don't know about, no one saw this coming.

-No one saw social security or medicare problems? That's been a ponzi scheme for decades. But the boomers don't want to look at facts. It's a fact that social security was going to have problems in 1970 or 1980. Is a pay as you go system like that really sustainable?

-The economic numbers have been manipulated since the 70's and 80's (i.e. cost of living increases). I think facts make them uncomfortable. That social security check isn't going to get you from 65-67. Thus older americans working longer. Thus pushing the 18 year old out of the labor market.

-The problem for the lost generation is that a lot of long time problems weren't addressed (or were swept under the rug). The lost generation has been charged a high price for problems that should have been dealt with.

*SS, long time problem.
*Benefits, pensions, promises we can't keep, long time problems (= higher taxes in the future?)
*Economic imbalances, long time problems.

The lost generation should have gotten concessions years ago. Instead of 55-65 year olds working at walmart (to supplement social security, because of inflation)...the lost generation should have gotten an equal break. Make it easier to get work experience. Increase internships, etc. Cut some slack on these student loans.
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Old 09-25-2011, 02:16 AM
 
Location: NJ
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"Is a pay as you go system like that really sustainable?"

Yes, starting around 2030. The problem is a baby bust (youR GEN) followed a baby boom (mine). That will fix itself as one baby bust follows another baby bust. But I agree SS age which for me is 67, should be at least 70. Gains in longevity need to mirror increase in retirement age, so number of years collecting is equal, plus jobs are not physical now, so early age is not needed.
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Old 09-25-2011, 02:50 AM
 
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Social security is a Ponzi Scheme only for FOX & talk radio lovers. Young generations taking care of old folks, this Ponzi scheme was going for thousands of years way before Ponzi was born and right wing crowd got excited about intolerable "freeloading". Social security is a SUCCESSFUL attempt to set up aged care in a mass, impersonal society. Even taking falling birth rates into consideration, SS is no any different from a situation when a few younger male survivors of WWII somewhere in a distant Russian village were taking care of much more numerous older generation that did not perish in a meat grinder of the Eastern Front. Those suckers did not know the code word "Ponzi" relieving young ones from caring for the old ones by evoking to "personal responsibility" rhetoric.

The only injustice of the Social Security is the fact that top wage earners (most of whom belong to the employing class) are not paying for the disposal of their wage slaves that made them rich. Younger wages slaves pay for the disposal of older ones, while the wage slave owners pay nothing. Classic slave owners could not do that. If business treat labor as a two legged commodity, it MUST treat it as a commodity all the way, including disposal costs.
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Old 09-25-2011, 07:44 AM
 
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The only injustice of the Social Security is the fact that top wage earners (most of whom belong to the employing class) are not paying for the disposal of their wage slaves that made them rich. Younger wages slaves pay for the disposal of older ones, while the wage slave owners pay nothing. Classic slave owners could not do that. If business treat labor as a two legged commodity, it MUST treat it as a commodity all the way, including disposal costs.

Employer Payroll Tax. Learn it. Know it. Live it.
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Old 09-25-2011, 08:10 AM
 
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We're quite a way from that. I still see plenty of 14 year old kids with iPhones and trendy sneakers. When they're wearing two year old shoes and sharing a land line with their other siblings because the family can only afford a cell plan for the working adults, then we'll see more of this.

So far, I would not call us (I'm 21; a senior) totally lost at this point. From the perspective of a gent on the ground, as it were, I would call this the "listless generation." At the top, I am seeing the wealthy and well-connected students breeze into lucrative internships and careers far ahead of vastly more qualified students. Below them, there's a great deal of freelance work, dead end careers, "high school" jobs (waitressing), and even a few real careers.

This has been the case since I entered in 2008. Now I can hear the bell tolling for me, but fortunately I have no debt. Summer of freshmen year was pointless. Summer of sophomore year I was rejected. The Summer of junior year was spent caring for my dying mother. So I have never held a job worth mentioning. Hopefully all of that on-campus volunteering is worth the "it looks good on your resume" that it's touted as, since I have quite a bit of it.
Thanks, it is most interesting to hear from someone your age on this. The kids who are in high school generally seem to able to get the brand name clothes and electronic stuff. Protected by their parents, they are still being told that they need to go to college in order to get a good secure job....no wait, a career. Their parents will be filling out the FAFSA forms late at night, getting their kids unwittingly into mountains of debt for the rest of their lives. If the kid chooses most paths, s/he will have a very hard time finding a job in the chosen field. Most will end up in jobs having nothing to do with their field, and many of these jobs will be sadly underpaid or even minimum wage. Some, who go into healthcare professions, will have a better chance of doing well. Most will pick up marketable skills outside of academia. Those skills are absolutely critical, as are people skills. So if you can demonstrate on your resume that in your volunteer jobs you supervised anyone, or had personal responsibility for anything, and can list hardcore skills learned such as troubleshooting computers, etc, you will have a real rung up on the ladder. I wish you well, you sound like a smart responsible person.
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