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Old 02-01-2012, 10:41 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Enjoy life, working 80 hours gets you nowhere.
People who say this are the same ones who get mad about 'the 1%ers.'

If people have found joy and fun in working hard and amassing wealth, that's their business.

Doesn't make their life sadder...and they are CERTAINLY more like to go somewhere. It's Mr Married to 40 Hours Don't Step On My Free Time who is more likely to go 'nowhere.' It is still his perogative.
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Old 02-01-2012, 10:43 AM
 
Location: DFW
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I really have to spank you in my own way, but today I don't have the mood to, coz I'm celebrating.

I just placed two large trades on currency pairs, and another equity I've been bag holding for months has jumped 20%, everything is going my way and I don't have the negative energy for some fighting action.

I'll say one thing though. Look how you have dug yourself into a hole and the whole world tells you why anything more than 60 hours is mere slavery.

And dude, some of us really make six figures (double and triple of what "you" make at the moment), and guess what, it's boring. It does not add inches to the penis, coz in a world of inflated pay stubs, I always run into people who make 7 figures, and guess what their penises are longer and the best babe in the hall with the biggest of boobs goes sits on his lap.

And my whole life is littered with a professional experience right inside wall street (and I don't think anyone works more than 60, I meet millions on the train too, every day, none of these guys work more than 50, 60 is the worst case scenario, so quit making things up to prove your asinine assertions), I'm not gonna go into the details of my professional spread owing to the trolls who steal city-data info and misuse it on other "websites", but do us all a favour and get some sleep. Don't be a slave. At least play some angry birds when you take a dump. Enjoy life, working 80 hours gets you nowhere.
And I'll add that even those of us who have "enjoyable" jobs may not enjoy 100% of the time spent there.. it could be 99.9% or 90% or whatever. work needs to be done whether it's routine busywork or brainstorming the next big thing. A person who enjoys 90% of the time at work will have excellent job satisfaction!
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Old 02-01-2012, 10:50 AM
 
Location: Wherever women are
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People who say this are the same ones who get mad about 'the 1%ers.'

If people have found joy and fun in working hard and amassing wealth, that's their business.

Doesn't make their life sadder...and they are CERTAINLY more like to go somewhere. It's Mr Married to 40 Hours Don't Step On My Free Time who is more likely to go 'nowhere.' It is still his perogative.
That's not the point, Stan.

The guy's insinuating that working 70 to 90 hours is what's gonna make someone grow and get to the next level, and he's running his mouth about people stuck in the same position coz they don't work harder and are "lazy"

Get out of town Those who go up the ladder are those who have learned to "exploit" and "screw" others and "achieve" in 40 hours what others slog away with 70. That's what makes you grow

I understand he's a young kid, just out of college and you know these college kids at work who are "desperate" to prove their mettle. You send them 100 excel sheets and ask them to type the alphabets on every one of the 65K cells on each of the 100 sheets, they will diligently work on it, day and night, and deliver it on time, and they have an ivy league MBA for this. Dude's in that phase. We've all been there. There's nothing fancy about that. It's just a passing phase

Any time anyone says, "I make six figures", it makes me cringe. It's NOTHING. You get nowhere with six figures. You're still median middle class, not even upper middle class.
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Old 02-01-2012, 10:59 AM
 
Location: DFW
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That's not the point, Stan.

The guy's insinuating that working 70 to 90 hours is what's gonna make someone grow and get to the next level, and he's running his mouth about people stuck in the same position coz they don't work harder and are "lazy"

Get out of town Those who go up the ladder are those who have learned to "exploit" and "screw" others and "achieve" in 40 hours what others slog away with 70. That's what makes you grow

I understand he's a young kid, just out of college and you know these college kids at work who are "desperate" to prove their mettle. You send them 100 excel sheets and ask them to type the alphabets on every one of the 65K cells on each of the 100 sheets, they will diligently work on it, day and night, and deliver it on time, and they have an ivy league MBA for this. Dude's in that phase. We've all been there. There's nothing fancy about that. It's just a passing phase

Any time anyone says, "I make six figures", it makes me cringe. It's NOTHING. You get nowhere with six figures. You're still median middle class, not even upper middle class.
I'm "working" 70 - 100 hours a week.. just not all of it on the job which consumes maybe about 50/wk. I'm putting about 15 hours a week studying for a professional certification in my field.. also working on starting a side business.
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Old 02-01-2012, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Wherever women are
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I'm "working" 70 - 100 hours a week.. just not all of it on the job which consumes maybe about 50/wk. I'm putting about 15 hours a week studying for a professional certification in my field.. also working on starting a side business.
That's off-limits, Rag. You're professionally working 50 hours on average and that's very "human" like the rest of us
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Old 02-01-2012, 11:13 AM
 
Location: DFW
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That's off-limits, Rag. You're professionally working 50 hours on average and that's very "human" like the rest of us
Yeah, I know.. just wanted to say that you gotta put in the time if you want to get ahead.. it doesn't have to be your job.
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Old 02-01-2012, 12:06 PM
 
Location: Wherever women are
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Yeah, I know.. just wanted to say that you gotta put in the time if you want to get ahead.. it doesn't have to be your job.
Everybody wants to get ahead, no doubt.

Problem here is efficiency. And time. And budget.

If a guy on my project is working 90 hours a week and warping my budget, I'll literally bring a sack to the office, pack him and have the trash vehicles pick him up and release him into the wild

Not sure where the dude works, where people "allow" him to work that long. I'm betting it's some fixed bid production support deal where one's taking tickets and updating some remedy or quality center website.

There's no way any project/resource manager is enabling an individual to work that long, especially if it's a time and material project or worse, an expense project Wanna work 100 hours, sure, but don't log anything more than 40 on my project, you can always work for free (in comes the exploitation territory, hey, which employer doesn't love freebies). But even then, what about efficiency? Why is a person working 70 hours a week? Why does he need 70? What is eating away time?

These are the things upper management cares about. Nobody's giving wet kisses and handing out M&Ms coz somebody works so late and so early and so hard, every day. Worked well with my English teacher. She brought milk chocolates for kiddies who wrote more rhymes than others. Ding dong bell, *****'s in the well...
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Old 02-01-2012, 12:13 PM
 
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Personally, I'll work more than 40 hours a week, if I feel I'm getting compensated for working that extra time.

I have too many options, (both public sector and private sector), to be forced to take anyone's bullsh*t. I'll work over 40 hours, whenever I start my own business, and actually reap the rewards of profitability.

I get a kick out of the people who take pride in working 70, 80 hour weeks. My brother works 100+ hour weeks in the hospital, and as far as I'm concerned he's getting screwed by the lack of market competition in his field.
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Old 02-01-2012, 02:58 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn New York
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And I'll add that even those of us who have "enjoyable" jobs may not enjoy 100% of the time spent there.. it could be 99.9% or 90% or whatever. work needs to be done whether it's routine busywork or brainstorming the next big thing. A person who enjoys 90% of the time at work will have excellent job satisfaction!

EXACTLY, I like my job, been here for 12 years, but by 4:30, since being here at 8, I am done, I need to do something else for the day.

Even an artist that likes to paint, can't do it 24/7.......
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Old 02-01-2012, 06:34 PM
 
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he's running his mouth about people stuck in the same position coz they don't work harder and are "lazy"
That is where I'm having a disconnect with him too. I don't blame him for loving his job and wanting to be there instead of anywhere else, to each their own.

However to believe that others who would rather be riding a bike, or learning French, or playing some video game, or curled up with a kindle, whatever they enjoy doing has to be lazy person since they would rather be doing that over sitting in their office working their enjoyable job is just nuts.
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