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Old 05-11-2012, 12:43 PM
 
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You are paid to make slaves of your fellow humans by means of USURY, illegal usurpation of power, and subversion of the Constitution.
Bankers are a parasite on the ass of humanity.
What are you smoking, and more importantly, can I have some?

Also, usury? That 30 year fixed 4% mortgage rate is so exorbitant, its uhm, USURY! Yea thats it! If you want to complain about banks, complain about a lack of sufficient risk control and the rise of prop trading or something else.... but usury?

Now your other points are spot on, can't deny that. Last year I did illegally usurp power in four countries.... really tough to do on the weekends, but I fit it in between badminton and the hamptons. This year, we are thinking of enslaving one of the BRIC countries, but we haven't decided if we should do that or subvert the constitution some more. There's kind of a shortage of staff right now, so were having to make some tough calls. Plus, the guy next to me really wants to go club some baby seals after bonuses this year, but I'm told its not the season, so we may have to postpone that too. Sacrifices, you know?
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Old 05-13-2012, 12:30 PM
 
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First how is it usery? Interest rates for the last 15 years have been very low.

Furthermore, any sort of documentation proving that corporations are using tax dollars to turf jobs oversea's?

Again, the classic defination treason as you are asserting does not stand.
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Old 05-15-2012, 08:53 PM
 
Location: San Diego California
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First how is it usery? Interest rates for the last 15 years have been very low.

Furthermore, any sort of documentation proving that corporations are using tax dollars to turf jobs oversea's?

Again, the classic defination treason as you are asserting does not stand.
What interest rates? Mortgage Rates? I suppose mortgage rates would seem reasonable if Real Estate prices were not inflated to 3,4 or 5 times their value. How did Real Estate prices get to those levels? A byproduct of HELOCS.
How about credit card rates? do you find them reasonable, or does the 20%+ that the average person pays sound a little like usury.
How much of what they earn do you think the average person pays in interest over the course of their life? If you are a young family starting out nearly all of your mortgage payment is interest. You are probably paying off student loans, you are making car payments, and you are making credit card payments, possibly paying on furniture. If you are lucky you will begin to see daylight sometime in your 50's

General Motors built 11 factories in China while putting their hand in the taxpayers pocket for 80 billion dollars. 7 out of 10 cars GM now builds are in other countries. They are directly transferring technology to a foreign country that is hostile to our form of government and way of life. Much of that technology is derived from military and aerospace. That sir, if you are too blind to see, is treason.

What is even more important than that though, is that we have slowly evolved into a country where consumers are groomed as wage slaves for the benefit of the corporations and the wealthy that own and control them.
This process begins in public schools where the working class are given a substandard education and indoctrinated into a culture where you buy into the religion of materialism. Of course the wealthy have access to quality education thru private schools and universities that the working class could never afford.
By the time the public educational system is done with you, you are incapable of figuring compound interest, or understanding the Constitution. You know nothing of the history of Central Banks, or why the forefathers hated them along with corporations.
This lack of education also makes you easily manipulated by your employer who is able to keep you working for low wages decade after decade making the company profit, helped by your endless indebtedness.
You are told you are free and that the government works for you, but nothing could be farther from the truth. You are a wage slave and the government works for the corporations who pay them.
The media you depend on for information are owned by the same corporations who decide what they want you to know.
The country of Britain (formally great) is now coming to grips with the fact that Rupert Murdock has been choosing their government for them for the past several decades.
It is no different here. We are now seeing legislation passed which robs your rights recognized by the Constitution and government agencies routinely violating your privacy and imprisoning people without due process.
Welcome to the Corporate States of America.
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Old 05-15-2012, 09:08 PM
 
Location: Aiken, South Carolina, US of A
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Jim,
THee is no loyalty to the United States anymore!
Loyalty is a thing of the past. You know that!
How do you think we got into this whole mess in the first place?
The Corporations OWN our politicans, you know that too.
It is a done deal. Neither party in Congress really cares.
That is our "Global" economy today.
JP Morgan lost 2 billion dollars yesterday and will want the US GOVT
to stand behind them. Do you know what that is?
True Socialism. Yeap. They get the bonus and the american
taxpayer gets the cost when they take a bad risk!
Welcome to the 21st century.
If the Republicans take power of the White House it WILL get worse.
Can you possibly imagine what having a President like
Mitt Romeny will be like? OMG!
I was talking to a Canadian recently and he said
he has never seen the desparity between rich and poor than in
my state. He couldn't get over it.
Oh well, I wish I didn't realize what was happening.
Ignorance is bliss.
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Old 05-15-2012, 10:39 PM
 
Location: NJ
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What interest rates?
General Motors built 11 factories in China while putting their hand in the taxpayers pocket for 80 billion dollars. .

It should be far more than 7 in 10-we are 5% of the world's population! Plus, equally important, while they were loaned money by the US they will NEVER repay (I'm talking tens of billions in "equity" paid in excess of traded value), GM and Ford would NOT exist solely on US profits as of 20 years ago. European and Asian profits overcame for decades continuous US losses.

The workers who remain at both GM & Ford should be building shrines to their counterparts around the globe that made their present jobs possible.
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Old 05-16-2012, 03:32 PM
 
Location: San Diego California
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Jim,
THee is no loyalty to the United States anymore!
Loyalty is a thing of the past. You know that!
How do you think we got into this whole mess in the first place?
The Corporations OWN our politicans, you know that too.
It is a done deal. Neither party in Congress really cares.
That is our "Global" economy today.
JP Morgan lost 2 billion dollars yesterday and will want the US GOVT
to stand behind them. Do you know what that is?
True Socialism. Yeap. They get the bonus and the american
taxpayer gets the cost when they take a bad risk!
Welcome to the 21st century.
If the Republicans take power of the White House it WILL get worse.
Can you possibly imagine what having a President like
Mitt Romeny will be like? OMG!
I was talking to a Canadian recently and he said
he has never seen the desparity between rich and poor than in
my state. He couldn't get over it.
Oh well, I wish I didn't realize what was happening.
Ignorance is bliss.
I agree with most of what you say with the exception of thinking whichever party is in office makes one shred of difference.
It makes no difference whatsoever who is elected because both will take their orders from the same people.
It will get worse no matter what party is elected because they are both owned outright, and do not serve the citizens or the country.
To allow yourself to get caught up in party politics is only voluntarily ensnarling yourself in their fools trap.
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Old 05-16-2012, 06:05 PM
 
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I can live without a credit card and I pay cash for my vehicles. I am setting debt free right now. Again, your assertion of usury doesn't apply. If you're using credit cards and paying off the balance you're still not paying interest. So the usury theory doesn't apply.

Now 4 years ago when the government bailed out GM I was against the whole idea. It is still a bad idea.

The slippery slope argument is a classical logical fallacy. So while corporations do things which you don't agree to. If they are evil as you claim, you couldn't use your computer I am guessing you are a microsoft user. Again a fortune 500 corporation, if apple it is the same thing. I am guessing you drive a car which was manufactured by a corp. Your clothing, etc all are produced by corporations.

Without these “evil” corporations, I doubt you’d still be alive, and I can promise you wouldn’t have anywhere near the quality of life you now enjoy.

I would also suspect that you have some sort of retirement fund (most reasonable people do) they take money that you invest and the company you work for (likely a corporation) invest in other corporations so you can retire and live comfortably. Without the corporations earning money increasing stock value and paying dividends on their stock to you or your 401K you are going to work till you die. Wise investments pay off so you can enjoy your later years.

If you want to have a legitimate conversation please come prepared to substantiate your claims. Bring links from legitimate sources.
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Old 05-16-2012, 09:59 PM
 
Location: San Diego California
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I can live without a credit card and I pay cash for my vehicles. I am setting debt free right now. Again, your assertion of usury doesn't apply. If you're using credit cards and paying off the balance you're still not paying interest. So the usury theory doesn't apply.

Now 4 years ago when the government bailed out GM I was against the whole idea. It is still a bad idea.

The slippery slope argument is a classical logical fallacy. So while corporations do things which you don't agree to. If they are evil as you claim, you couldn't use your computer I am guessing you are a microsoft user. Again a fortune 500 corporation, if apple it is the same thing. I am guessing you drive a car which was manufactured by a corp. Your clothing, etc all are produced by corporations.

Without these “evil” corporations, I doubt you’d still be alive, and I can promise you wouldn’t have anywhere near the quality of life you now enjoy.

I would also suspect that you have some sort of retirement fund (most reasonable people do) they take money that you invest and the company you work for (likely a corporation) invest in other corporations so you can retire and live comfortably. Without the corporations earning money increasing stock value and paying dividends on their stock to you or your 401K you are going to work till you die. Wise investments pay off so you can enjoy your later years.

If you want to have a legitimate conversation please come prepared to substantiate your claims. Bring links from legitimate sources.
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The vast majority of people working today are going to work until they die!
The money most people think they will be getting from Social Security has been stolen and spent on Corporate contracts.
Even if they were able to sock away enough to get by without Social Security what chance are they going to have when there is no stable investment that pays enough in interest or dividends to live off.
On top of that the government has stolen trillions of dollars from the future and given it away to the corporations ensuring future inflation will devastate anyone trying to live on a fixed income.
Perhaps you should talk to the millions of people who had their retirement destroyed by the likes of World Com, Bank of America, General Motors, General Electric, Washington Mutual, Wachovia, Lehman Bros, and Countrywide Financial. Ask them how wonderful it is to have artificial entities who can commit fraud, embezzlement, ponzie schemes, and what ever else they choose to do in the name of profit and no one is held accountable.
Just look at all the government contractors who are caught red handed committing fraud and continue to receive government contracts. Whisleblowers have been responsible for recovering $12 billion for the government from such industry giants as Tenet Hospital, Lockheed-Martin, TAP Pharmaceutical Products, Boeing and KPMG-Peat Marwick. Did anyone go to jail? Nope, the criminals just keep getting richer. History teaches at the end of every empire the wealthy cannibalize the country until there is nothing left. It is clear that we are now at that point.
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Old 05-16-2012, 10:10 PM
 
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Sorry you didn't plan well enough for retirement.

Again, do you have any substance to your claims?
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Old 05-17-2012, 12:23 PM
 
Location: San Diego California
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Sorry you didn't plan well enough for retirement.

Again, do you have any substance to your claims?
Again your assumptions reveal your level of understanding.
Just keep your head buried in the sand. It is where you will find your comfort level.
Also do me the courtesy of not answering any more of my posts. You really do not offer anything of interest to the thread. Simply start your own threads if you think anyone in interested in what you are saying.
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