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Old 08-04-2012, 12:54 AM
 
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Sria is no more a danger than egypt and every other country in the middle east that has problems. Actually Syria and iran are more a danger as they exist. I time they will go the way that egypt and others have because they only rule bu misery and threat to thewir own people.
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Old 08-04-2012, 09:20 AM
 
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Sria is no more a danger than egypt and every other country in the middle east that has problems. Actually Syria and iran are more a danger as they exist. I time they will go the way that egypt and others have because they only rule bu misery and threat to thewir own people.
Syria has 40,000 chemical and biological weapons, and the backing of Iran and Russia.
I think they are dangerous.

They also don't mind killing 20,000 Syrian citizens.
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Old 08-04-2012, 01:03 PM
 
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We will be a net importer for the next 10 to 15 years if the forecasts hold true. The state of things in Europe for the past four years hasn't been all that good to start with. It could be argued that it has played a part in our ecomony. Syria and middle east is not sum of the whole when it comes our economy.

China was talking of buying canadian oil (from the oil sands.) If was in China and looking to buy, if I can buy from a stable county, with a solid economy and stable economy I'd be on that like a fly on stink.

Attention is paid to what the US imports, there is little talk of our exports. We ship shiploads of wheat, corn, soy, beef and hogs. It take more than oil to make the world function. People also need to eat.

The point I am attempting to make, we are able to use more of our own oil. Which will lessen the demand for middle east oil, which would play to Europe and Asia's advantage. While oil is a major part of the economy, it is not the sum of the whole. Which tends to deflate the OPs assertions of forthcoming doom.
My point is this is that even if the U.S exports more oil and as a result lowers its dependence on foreign oil our trading partners in Europe and Asia are still heavily dependent on Middle Eastern oil. You mentioned China and despite their recent attempts to acquire Canadian tar sands oil the quality and quantity of Canadian oil simply won't cover the increasing demand for petroleum that they face.

The ultimate solution to the Middle East problem is to lower the dependence of oil as a fuel source. That's not going to happen in the near term and until it does the political stability of the Middle East will continue to have global consequences.

Dependence on Middle Eastern Oil: Now It's China's Problem, Too

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But the difference is that China does not have an adequate foreign policy or the capabilities to accommodate the unavoidable economic realities. Moreover, some in China fear that increasing U.S. energy independence, particularly its enormous shale output, will make the Middle East is strategically dispensable for the U.S., providing Washington with more flexibility to "disrupt" the region in a way that would indirectly damage Chinese interests. In other words, if Middle Eastern oil no longer matters quite so much to the U.S., then it would have more freedom to do things that would risk disrupting Middle Eastern oil output, such as forcing "regime change" in unfriendly countries.

As simplistic as this may sound, such a view seems to be gaining some traction. One Chinese commentator, pointing out that U.S. oil imports from the Gulf have plummeted to 15 percent and that domestic gas production rose from 20.2 to 22.4 trillion cubic feet in just three years, argued that these developments give Washington more leverage to push around China through, for instance, Iran sanctions. Meanwhile, a researcher at CNOOC, one of China's big three national oil companies, echoed similar sentiments about America's diminishing role in the Arab world:

We understand that the United States' presence and influence in the Middle East is a key factor behind that region's stability, but China is the single greatest purchaser of Middle Eastern oil. The major reason that the United States is seeking energy self-sufficiency is its desire to reduce or even end imports of Middle Eastern oil...

...Nor do we wish to see the United States completely withdraw from the Middle East. We really don't want to see the Americans "transform" the Middle East or allow the region to fall into disorder once they are no longer reliant upon its petroleum. China has but little influence on the Middle East and even less power to control the region, but we need its oil, and we need a stable Middle East.


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Old 08-04-2012, 01:17 PM
 
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Syria has 40,000 chemical and biological weapons, and the backing of Iran and Russia.
I think they are dangerous.

They also don't mind killing 20,000 Syrian citizens.
If Syria uses chemical and biological weapons, the western nations are going to throw down the hammer. That message has been delivered to Assad.

While Russia and China have a vested interest in Syria, it's not important enough to them to risk a military confrontation with western nations. Logistically and technologically they are not equipped to win. Not only would the economic consequences by dire especially for Russia but a loss in such a confrontation would be humiliating to Putin and would threaten his political position is Russia.
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Old 08-04-2012, 01:42 PM
 
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Syria has 40,000 chemical and biological weapons, and the backing of Iran and Russia.
I think they are dangerous.

They also don't mind killing 20,000 Syrian citizens.
Not as dangerous as what could be if the "rebels" take over. Over there, you need the iron fist of a dictator like Assad to control those people. The only thing they understand is force. At least with Assad, you have a secular leader who bases his decisions on common sense rather than religion.
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Old 08-04-2012, 02:30 PM
 
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Not as dangerous as what could be if the "rebels" take over. Over there, you need the iron fist of a dictator like Assad to control those people. The only thing they understand is force. At least with Assad, you have a secular leader who bases his decisions on common sense rather than religion.
Thats the same type of thinking the led the United States government to back dictators and tyrants for the last 60 years and its responsible for most of the animosity toward the United States currently in many places of the world.

In the long run it's failed strategy that undermines global stability.
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Old 08-04-2012, 04:11 PM
 
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Thats the same type of thinking the led the United States government to back dictators and tyrants for the last 60 years and its responsible for most of the animosity toward the United States currently in many places of the world.

In the long run it's failed strategy that undermines global stability.
Yea because just wait until these countries are led by muslim extremists, then everything will be stable.
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Old 08-06-2012, 08:04 PM
 
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Syria doesn't have any Oil..

IRAQ, KUWAIT, SAUDI ARABIA & IRAN have the oil
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Old 08-07-2012, 01:02 PM
 
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Syria doesn't have any Oil..

IRAQ, KUWAIT, SAUDI ARABIA & IRAN have the oil
So 401,000 barrels a day production means they don't have any oil? Of that an estimated 263,000 BPD is exported

Syria Oil - production - Economy

Syria Oil - exports - Economy
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Old 08-07-2012, 01:06 PM
 
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By comparison, Kuwait produces 2.45 million barrels of oil/day
Kuwait Oil - production - Economy

Kuwait exports 2.127 million barrels of oil/day.
Kuwait Oil - exports - Economy

Yes, there is an oil interest in Syria. However, their production and export is roughly a 1/10th of Kuwait's output.
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