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Old 09-18-2012, 09:11 PM
 
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Communism doesn't work because it takes away the incentive to produce. Communism assigns me a job that I cannot really be fired from or that I can get rewarded for high productivity. What do you think the average person is going to do? As little as possible.
Capitalism also has its faults as well. People get too rich and corporations get too big. Big corporations buy out their competition and you also end up with little productivity. After all, if I am the only game in town, why would I work hard to keep your business? That is why we had high prices and bad service from the phone and cable companies until competition was introduced.
The best model is capitalism that is well regulated and limited mixed with some degree of socialism such as public education.
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Old 09-19-2012, 03:07 AM
 
Location: State Fire and Ice
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Well, let's see. America and it's capitalist system is still here, while the USSR's communists system is not. America's system, built on priciples of freedom and individual responsibility, has lasted 236 years and counting, while the USSR's system, built on dependence on the state, and mass murder of it's own people, lasted roughly 80 years before being soundly rejected by those same people. Sounds to me like we have to chalk this one up for the US.
Let's take a look! The exchange system was many-loop, Were Soviet reserves of dollars which the Soviet Union spent on those or other needs. There came currency from the sale of oil and other natural reserves and were spent on the purchase necessary. Money inside the country (i.e. rubles, which are all assets) Rubles were government money. Today rubles and dollars are not public.
In the USSR there was no connection between the reserves of dollars and reserves rubles. In the USSR Money just created a State Bank. Who was receiving from the government how many orders you want to print money. While in the USSR virtually no inflation.
Under Stalin after the war in 7 times lower prices.
Now let us examine the functioning of the economy of the USSR under Stalin.
There is a 100 percent money in the Soviet economy and there is a 100 percent of the goods in the Soviet economy. The is the amount of money in the USSR equal to the number of goods which the population of the Soviet Union can use. The economy is developing in a few years. Quantity of the goods is increased, because it opens up new enterprises, and so on. Now then in the USSR now not 100 percent of the goods, now it amounts to 110 percent of the goods. But the Soviet Union did not it creates a money, the deluge that the USSR does not earn the amount of money and their creation. Accordingly goods became more money the same number of. Now what makes the USSR? It Reduces the price. To once again between them was again in the balance sheet.


Now how does the modern world economy -
ITS basic principle of what? The creation of money out of emptiness. You have to create under for the creation of new money.
Now. There is a 100 percent money. And there is a 100 percent of the goods.
They have a relationship of interconnected in many different ways.
You have to create money otherwise the meaning of your existence is lost. Therefore have to print new money to buy power over the world. You create another another 10 per cent of the money. You have more money 110 per cent, of the goods 100 percent. What happened? Correctly, the Increase of prices.
That is, if the system is built by Stalin was as inevitable, and that the increase of prices today.

Now tell me a simple man (people) of which system is more like it? The first or the second? When prices are reduced or when price increase?

Now the question of the World system could compete with Stalin? No, of course not. She was losing the Stalinist on all counts. Where in the 50-ies of the people were all equal? IN THE USSR. In America were the buses for the whites, and buses for the black.

It was 100% the defeat of the West. To change this. What to do? Kill Stalin. And the Stalinist System was changed after the poisoned Stalin.

Then there was the Golden Ruble and a Gold Dollar. After the death of Stalin, the USSR began to sell for dollars. That is transferred to the system where it is obvious that she is losing. Because somebody produces these dollars in any quantities, rather America.
But in this case the defeat of the USSR there not was 100%. Because in 1973 America abandoned the gold standard. This was the Default of America. At that time the Soviet Union could destroy America economically. But sorry, thinking that America is now considered, (times of the USSR did not destroy America) well and will be respected. But in the end, America goes vile (America will not give such a chance of mercy, which gave the Soviet Union.) How could bring down the cost America? This is to Announce America - Once a dollar now is not gold, We (the USSR) will trade only for gold. The dollar would be destroyed. America saved in 1973, the fact that America has suffered all their production in China. But if we remember who quarrel of the USSR with China-It was Khrushchev. Under Stalin Mau Дзедун was very respectful of the USSR and Stalin, who would not allow China to save America. So that saved America-Khrushchev. For that tell him thank you. Вот Lesson and Over.

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Old 09-19-2012, 03:14 AM
 
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Communism doesn't work because it takes away the incentive to produce. Communism assigns me a job that I cannot really be fired from or that I can get rewarded for high productivity. What do you think the average person is going to do? As little as possible.
Capitalism also has its faults as well. People get too rich and corporations get too big. Big corporations buy out their competition and you also end up with little productivity. After all, if I am the only game in town, why would I work hard to keep your business? That is why we had high prices and bad service from the phone and cable companies until competition was introduced.
The best model is capitalism that is well regulated and limited mixed with some degree of socialism such as public education.
In the USSR, a person could be fired or resign voluntarily from work. Workers receive higher wages, bonuses and rewards for good work.Life is not much different in these respects from all over the world, the only place in the USSR. People receive free education, free medical care, social guarantees. You had it somewhere else for free? In the USSR there were 99.. per cent of educated people. How many were they in America?
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Old 09-19-2012, 03:22 AM
 
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There was no difference in this regard.
It was at the very very much!
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Old 09-19-2012, 03:24 AM
 
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The Soviet state existed before Stalin, who had nothing to do with creating it as a politico-economic system.
In this you are wrong.
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Old 09-19-2012, 05:12 AM
 
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He should apply for this job:
Would he then be able to afford something besides this pizza?
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Old 09-19-2012, 05:19 AM
 
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Communism assigns me a job
Where did you get this BS from? The state was forced (by constitution) to provide you a job, for which you qualified - but it didn't and couldn't assign you to something.

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or that I can get rewarded for high productivity.
Ever heard about performance based compensation? It's all rage today in the West. Well, in Soviet Union it was called plan, and was... pretty universal.

Also, try to remember that referencing communism is the same as saying that you are a poorly educated zombie. Soviet system was state capitalist that has nothing to do with anarchial communism.

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The best model is capitalism that is well regulated and limited mixed with some degree of socialism such as public education.
This is way too broad, because it fits US, EU, China, and USSR.
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Old 09-19-2012, 08:55 AM
 
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Thank you to our friends from Russia for giving us insight into the USSR and modern Russia. Since I am having a hard time understanding you, may I ask a few questions that require a less detailed response?:
  1. Was there a shortage of common everyday items at the grocery stores and general merchandise stores during the time of the USSR? Do these shortages still exist?
  2. What do you prefer: the economic system of the USSR or the economic system of modern Russia?
  3. What do you prefer: the economic system of modern Russia or the economic system of the USA?
  4. What do you prefer: the economic system of the USSR or the economic system of the USA?
Thank you.
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Old 09-19-2012, 09:40 AM
 
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I'll answer your question with a question.

During the past ninety years, how many Russians have emigrated to the United States?
During the past ninety years, how many Americans have emigrated to Russia?

There you have it.
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Old 09-19-2012, 11:01 AM
 
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During the past ninety years, how many Russians have emigrated to the United States?
During the past ninety years, how many Americans have emigrated to Russia?
Wanna include three devastating (for USSR, but not US) wars, and two decades after USSR?

Why not make a sane comparison - such as, how many people emigrated from US and USSR in 1970's?

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