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Old 09-20-2012, 01:09 AM
 
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So Communism didn't exist in the USSR?
Communism such as you present him there not, was the likeness of communism but no more than that.
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Old 09-20-2012, 01:24 AM
 
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Interesting. Thank you. Those are different answers than what I expected, but I can't argue with you since I've never been there. A few more questions if you don't mind?:
  1. Would you say most Russians agree with you?
  2. If they do, do you think Russia will return to the Soviet economic system?
  3. Is the current government of Russia trying to implement a more capitalistic system or a more communistic system? In other words, what is the trend?
  4. What is the attitude of the Russian people toward their government, particularly the government's role in the economy?
Thank you. I'm finding this fascinating.
Thank you for the kind words! There is no Russia will not return to communism ideas, so the second is the market attitude now is the Foundation. To the government of the people are different, just as in America, who loves him, who is not, depending on the particular official. With regard to government interference in Business, the government is doing a lot to attract investors from other countries. You see, who are living in Europe today? Germany. They understood that the friendship with Russia can bring a lot of positive than negative. In Russia there are a lot of German companies, but they say all around, that in Russia the bad climate, but this is not true, not one firm for 20 years has not abandoned the Russian market.But such myths probably help to reduce the competition, and in General business. As to the Russian businessmen, the recent years, this is positive for small and medium-sized businesses, but there are disadvantages as well as everywhere. But to build your business you do not interfere, will be talent, the mind of a little capital ahead.
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Old 09-20-2012, 01:36 AM
 
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Thank you to our friends from Russia for giving us insight into the USSR and modern Russia. Since I am having a hard time understanding you, may I ask a few questions that require a less detailed response?:
  1. Was there a shortage of common everyday items at the grocery stores and general merchandise stores during the time of the USSR? Do these shortages still exist?
  2. What do you prefer: the economic system of the USSR or the economic system of modern Russia?
  3. What do you prefer: the economic system of modern Russia or the economic system of the USA?
  4. What do you prefer: the economic system of the USSR or the economic system of the USA?
Thank you.
Today deficit in the stores? No, you can buy everything you want. As in any other country and goods of any country. But today more highly prized Russian goods, such as shoes, some clothing and other goods, but as a rule they are more expensive, for the reason that they are of a higher quality. Deficit - This word is now lost all meaning.
I wrote in detail how the system has been running in the USSR. What would you choose for yourself? That when prices are constantly growing or when they are reduced. Naturally system in the USSR, it was created for the people of ordinary people. The system of the World or the U.S. it is working against the people. It was created so that people in government or rich people could edit the main people. For this reason print new money out of thin air and the prices are growing and will grow constantly.
There is no Russia think can ever come to the System of the USSR but I think it will not be soon. Currently planned economy is replaced by the market.
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Old 09-20-2012, 01:38 AM
 
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Although Stalin held some rank in the Central Committee from the outset, he had little authority, and did not begin to consolidate power until the death of Lenin two years later. What we know to be the USSR was already well established, as were its core principles, before Stalin really had much to say about the affairs of state. He didn't become the premier until some 20 years later.
Here the relationship is very large, and not only she was economic
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Old 09-20-2012, 01:55 AM
 
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Whilst not "pure textbook communism" it was communism. And it was one big mess.
You know that communism was not created in the USSR? There was no communism such as you see it. Was the order of the even more than in America today. People receive free education, free medical care, and other. The bad was it?" Correctly it was bad for the very, very rich people in America, for the reason that they needed the power over the people and they didn't want to let people in America were all educated in 99 and ... percent as it was in the USSR. So people have the envy of each other so that people were not friendly - it was the American ideals of power. Still in America, there is a common national system of public health.I don't want to offend anyone, but it was so.

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Old 09-20-2012, 05:31 AM
 
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Wanna include three devastating (for USSR, but not US) wars, and two decades after USSR?

Why not make a sane comparison - such as, how many people emigrated from US and USSR in 1970's?
Next to none. However, I personally have known dozens of Russian immigrants to the United States.

As far as the wars are concerned, Germany fought in World Wars I and II as well. Germany was absolutely devastated as well. In World War I, so was France. Yet at the end of World War II, both economies managed to rebuild themselves and provide their citizens with prosperity. Of course, there wasn't the wholesale stupidity of Stalin's economic 'reforms' that led to wholesale starvation and slaughter, either.
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Old 09-20-2012, 05:54 AM
 
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Thank you to our friends from Russia for giving us insight into the USSR and modern Russia. Since I am having a hard time understanding you, may I ask a few questions that require a less detailed response?:
  1. Was there a shortage of common everyday items at the grocery stores and general merchandise stores during the time of the USSR? Do these shortages still exist?
  2. What do you prefer: the economic system of the USSR or the economic system of modern Russia?
  3. What do you prefer: the economic system of modern Russia or the economic system of the USA?
  4. What do you prefer: the economic system of the USSR or the economic system of the USA?
Thank you.
Why are you thanking our friends for being intellectually disingenuous? They're acsribing pseudo Marxist/socialist results to some correlative effect in a discussion of the merits of Stalinist totalitarianism. It's ridiculous. You don't get a trophy just for showing up.
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Old 09-20-2012, 06:06 AM
 
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Why are you thanking our friends for being intellectually disingenuous? They're acsribing pseudo Marxist/socialist results to some correlative effect in a discussion of the merits of Stalinist totalitarianism. It's ridiculous. You don't get a trophy just for showing up.
What it is? Please explain?What do you think is not true?I explained in detail every element of That! you can check or ask from other people who lived in the Soviet Union. I can confirm any of his word. You just say it's a lie. So create the answer or a question?

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Old 09-20-2012, 07:21 AM
 
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What it is? Please explain?What do you think is not true?I explained in detail every element of That! you can check or ask from other people who lived in the Soviet Union. I can confirm any of his word. You just say it's a lie. So create the answer or a question?

Understand, I'm not disputing the descriptions given of modern Russia. The original question wasn't about "modern" Russia but about Stalinism v. capitalism.

Stalinism doesn't compare to the modern Russian experience of evolving state controlled economic planning nor was it some fanciful Marxist experiment run awry, it was totalitarianism. One can't refer to conditions in Russia today without recognizing that there's a lot of bodies left in the wake of the OGPU/NKVD.

By my reckoning, the government that invokes the fewer forced labor camps, famines, and purges (Yagoda, Zinovev, Kamenev...plus several million others) would be preferable.

If you want a discussion about the merits of modern Russian statism, I'm open to that. Russia is a land of increasing opportunity and resource. The transition of the Russian economy is surely evolutionary and not complete but let's not talk about the results of reform and revolution without recognizing context.
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Old 09-20-2012, 10:36 AM
 
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Next to none. However, I personally have known dozens of Russian immigrants to the United States.
In 1970's more people left America every year, than SU in the whole decade.

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As far as the wars are concerned, Germany fought in World Wars I and II as well. Germany was absolutely devastated as well. In World War I, so was France. Yet at the end of World War II, both economies managed to rebuild themselves and provide their citizens with prosperity.
What does it have to do with emigration before 1946?
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