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Old 12-06-2012, 08:29 AM
 
Location: San Diego California
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Are you also under the FALSE impression that if the government stopped subsidizing them that ALL of your 2% tax dollars will be RETURNED to you??

Many of you are under the impression that the reason the country owes TRILLIONS is because of government "handouts" and the poor is to BLAME for all of this country's financial ills.

Do you really believe that your pre-tax $500 a week salary will suddenly jump to $600?

If so, then you are a FOOL! If anything taxes will STILL be raised for some other crap the government deems necessary and you'll have streets full of homeless lining the sidewalks, back alleys and abandoned/foreclosed houses begging for change and food.

Also, please understand that ANYTHING the GOVERNMENT has a hand in is a SUBSIDY. This includes MEDICARE AND SOCIAL SECURITY. Doesn't matter if you paid into it. If the GOVERNMENT has to GIVE it to you, then it's an ENTITLEMENT PROGRAM.
I believe you are confusing poor with entitlement recipients. You really need to make a distinction which you are talking about. There are working poor who do not receive government assistance, and there are working and non-working that do.
The issue with so called entitlements as I see it is the moral degradation they have caused.
There was a time in this country when charity was shameful and people would only accept it as a last resort. Charity was controlled locally and the people of your community knew who received it and why.
Today with the Federalism of charity, it is anonymous and people seem to feel as if they are entitled to other peoples hard earned money. They like to think it comes from government, but it does not. The government can only hand out what it confiscates from others.
Charity is never free; it is paid for with self-respect and moral hazards. We have sadly developed a culture of people who want something for nothing and feel for whatever reason that they deserve it.
I have been poor, and know how hard it is to work your way up to prosperity. It takes a lifetime and a lot of sacrifice. But in the end, you gain the self- respect and knowledge of how to do it. This knowledge and self-respect is infinitely more valuable than all the hand outs and material crap purchased with those handouts.
There is no free ride in life, everything has a cost.
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Old 12-06-2012, 08:48 AM
 
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Are you also under the FALSE impression that if the government stopped subsidizing them that ALL of your 2% tax dollars will be RETURNED to you??

Many of you are under the impression that the reason the country owes TRILLIONS is because of government "handouts" and the poor is to BLAME for all of this country's financial ills.

Do you really believe that your pre-tax $500 a week salary will suddenly jump to $600?

If so, then you are a FOOL! If anything taxes will STILL be raised for some other crap the government deems necessary and you'll have streets full of homeless lining the sidewalks, back alleys and abandoned/foreclosed houses begging for change and food.

Also, please understand that ANYTHING the GOVERNMENT has a hand in is a SUBSIDY. This includes MEDICARE AND SOCIAL SECURITY. Doesn't matter if you paid into it. If the GOVERNMENT has to GIVE it to you, then it's an ENTITLEMENT PROGRAM.
Interesting angle......Do you have any links that support that the above is a common belief?

What is your thought on welfare, section 8, food stamps when generations of families have been recipients? Not short timers like less than a year but when Grandma, Daughter, Granddaughter and Great Grandaughter are all simutaneously collecting benefts wouldn't even you agree the system is broken?

What about food stamp debit cards being spent at casinos/cruise ships/ bars/strip clubs? Hmmm that seems like an abuse of the system.....Google it, you will be stunned

What about people collecting benefits while working for cash under the table?

Why was drug testing recipients of welfare programs vehemently opposed? What would be the harm if you are broke, you certainly couldn't spend money on illegal drugs?


System is being beaten by millions, radical changes are needed. If you have been a recipient for over 3 years then the benefits need to stop. Nobody that is able bodied should be unemployed that long, nevermind decades of benefits. 1 in 7 households are getting food stamps.....How can that be? Food is relatively cheap compared to other household expenses such as rent, utilities, smartphones/xboxes etc. Govt. wastes a lot of money on a lot of things so it all could get reeled in 10% a year for 3-5 years across the board. Stop all overseas spending (subsidizing other places/foreign aid...forget it). Cancel all wars, let the sand box sort itself out. Funnel all that spending into USA infrastructure projects. All those unemployed folks, get to work. You may not be able to handle bridge construction but you can certainly make coffee, answer the phone for those that do. Jobs will pay $8-12 an hour for secondary roles (simple jobs). $320-480 a week certainly pays better than unemployment right? Remember all those highways built after the war......guess what they need to be rebuilt/repaired and it will make America great again.
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Old 12-06-2012, 08:54 AM
 
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This subject always makes me think of this parody video:

50 seconds in, reality hits


Black Woman Doesn't like Obama No-more Oprah and Obama! I Oh No... Part 2.. GloZell - YouTube



Note: It isn't a white/black issue (plenty of both collecting benefits) and not a political issue since both parties waste too much money.
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Old 12-06-2012, 09:36 AM
 
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Wow. What a post. Am I the bad Guy because I would rather give to and empower the poor? Its funny to listen to the so called "passionate" folks whom never contributes or donates any time to help the poor. They seem to spend all of their time criticizing successful people.

Dennis Miller said a few weeks ago that, he doesnt mind helping he helpless, but the clueless needs to get it together.

Over 400,000 new people on food stamps this year alone. Do you find that to be great news?

I have came to the conclusion that Government wants citizens on assistance. Makes folks easier to control when you are feeding them.

The borrower is slave to the lender.
I've never criticized successful people. I'm not upset at Romney for being a billionaire. I find the "method" in how he earned his money to be messed up, but he did it legally.

I created this thread, because most of the people complaining about the poor talk about how their "taxes" are going to fund these lazy good for nothings.

I was just wondering if they really believed that they would get an $100 dollars or more in their checks if the government told the poor and EVERYONE ELSE GETTING GOVERNMENT SUBSIDIES IN SOME FORM to kiss off.
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Old 12-06-2012, 11:57 AM
 
Location: The Valley of the Sun
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Here's how I think we should handle the poor.
How Robin Hoods men really treated the poor - YouTube

Just kidding. Welfare, food stamps etc... doesnt bother me. It's not as if not having that portion of my taxes that's given to the poor and less fortunate makes a dent in my lifestyle. It's not like I'd be living on a beach house in Malibu if I somehow had that portion of my taxes back in my pocket. Subsidizing the auto industry and the banks because some bird brain CEO didnt do his/her job correctly and paid out million dollar bonuses to themselves does however **** me off. Big Time!!!!! ufcking Iraq war ipssed me off too. Spent billions of tax payer dollars to help people half a world away. Sorry to sound crass but ufck'em, we have our own problems domestically that need to be solved and could have used all that cash to end homelessness, improve our civil infrastructure, better our education system and subsidize health care.
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Old 12-06-2012, 12:18 PM
 
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I believe you are confusing poor with entitlement recipients. You really need to make a distinction which you are talking about. There are working poor who do not receive government assistance, and there are working and non-working that do.
The issue with so called entitlements as I see it is the moral degradation they have caused.
There was a time in this country when charity was shameful and people would only accept it as a last resort. Charity was controlled locally and the people of your community knew who received it and why.
Today with the Federalism of charity, it is anonymous and people seem to feel as if they are entitled to other peoples hard earned money. They like to think it comes from government, but it does not. The government can only hand out what it confiscates from others.
Charity is never free; it is paid for with self-respect and moral hazards. We have sadly developed a culture of people who want something for nothing and feel for whatever reason that they deserve it.
I have been poor, and know how hard it is to work your way up to prosperity. It takes a lifetime and a lot of sacrifice. But in the end, you gain the self- respect and knowledge of how to do it. This knowledge and self-respect is infinitely more valuable than all the hand outs and material crap purchased with those handouts.
There is no free ride in life, everything has a cost.
^What he said.
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Old 12-06-2012, 12:19 PM
 
Location: Beavercreek, OH
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Hi marilyn220--

I don't think poor people are the scum of the earth. I have the same respect for poor people that I have for anyone else, especially if they make an honest attempt to get ahead.



People that deliberately quit their jobs because if they keep working they'll make too much to be on food stamps are the scum of the earth.

People that lie to their case workers about trying to find a job in order to stay on unemployment or food stamps are the scum of the earth.

The caseworker that aids and abets by signing up people and keeping them unnecessarily on food stamps and other welfare programs are the scum of the earth.

Whoever created the Universal Service Fund fee on your cell phone, which pays for free phones for food stamp recipients, are the scum of the earth.

Whoever can make $14,500 a year and, due to government subsidies and programs, have more disposable income than someone making $60,000 a year, is the scum of the earth.

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Old 12-06-2012, 12:21 PM
 
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Hi marilyn220--

I don't think poor people are the scum of the earth. I have the same respect for poor people that I have for anyone else, especially if they make an honest attempt to get ahead.



People that deliberately quit their jobs because if they keep working they'll make too much to be on food stamps are the scum of the earth.

People that lie to their case workers about trying to find a job in order to stay on unemployment or food stamps are the scum of the earth.

The caseworker that aids and abets by signing up people and keeping them unnecessarily on food stamps and other welfare programs are the scum of the earth.

Whoever created the Universal Service Fund fee on your cell phone, which pays for free phones for food stamp recipients, are the scum of the earth.

Whoever can make $14,500 a year and, due to government subsidies and programs, have more disposable income than someone making $60,000 a year, is the scum of the earth.

Childless adults earning $14,500 get squat.
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Old 12-06-2012, 01:06 PM
 
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Od course you do as that is only a list of direct support.Government provides services to 67% who pay less in taxes than the services cost to provide. What you list is the cut off line that government has made for direct assistance.
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Old 12-06-2012, 02:42 PM
 
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I've never criticized successful people. I'm not upset at Romney for being a billionaire. I find the "method" in how he earned his money to be messed up, but he did it legally.

I created this thread, because most of the people complaining about the poor talk about how their "taxes" are going to fund these lazy good for nothings.

I was just wondering if they really believed that they would get an $100 dollars or more in their checks if the government told the poor and EVERYONE ELSE GETTING GOVERNMENT SUBSIDIES IN SOME FORM to kiss off.

Government charity has and always be a failure, unless your primary goal is to enslave.
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