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Old 04-14-2013, 08:03 PM
 
Location: San Marcos, TX
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Wow..50,000 questions. No I haven't seen proof. But there's no reason for me to doubt what he's telling me.
He's 21 and in school and working and paying his way and comments on how he has to watch his spending while his friends don't because they got these food stamp cards.

I wish there were people like you though that worked in our government offices that approve these applications. I'd wager we wouldn't be worrying about fraud/greed/corruption if there were more people like you that scrutinized applications and asked the hard questions and used that big rubber "REJECTED" stamp.
(please take that as a compliment)
Responding more because you added to your earlier post..

Someone in this story (your son or his friends or all of the above) is probably misinformed, bragging, exaggerating, etc. Most likely your son is repeating what he has heard or has been told. It's quite possible one or more of his friends has applied for and received food stamps and gotten the max for that month based on no income. However, if they are not, from that point forward, being required to participate in a work search program or get a job working at least 20 hours a week, then something is fishy and there may be a reason to suspect fraud. Pretty much, applicants are going to be given the benefit of the doubt upon initial application, and will be awarded FS for that month in full, then when they are not able to prove what they are claiming with respect to no income, or when they do not meet their end of the bargain with work requirements and such the FS will stop.

As for me and my questions --- I have seen both sides of the entire food stamp situation. I can tell you that there are caseworkers at the benefits office who are careful and try and make the best decision while following the guidelines, and I can tell you that, as with any job, there are those who screw up left and right and couldn't care less about being accurate. Furthermore there are some who have some sort of sick thrill, having power like that over whether or not someone eats that month and they have lost all human compassion. They seem to get a kick out of making the application experience as dehumanizing as possible. Thankfully they are relatively rare.

Sometimes this leads to someone getting food stamps that they are not qualified to get, but it is usually discovered. Many times these errors lead to someone who truly NEEDS food stamps being denied, and I have advocated for friends and acquaintances in the past who were dealing with workers who did not follow their own eligibility rules/guidelines and had to have things pointed out to them specifically. The entire set of "rules" that the workers are supposed to use is available online:

HHSC, TWH, Texas Works Handbook - Table of Contents

Many many years ago when I was young, single, a FT college student, and pregnant, I was told by a food stamp worker that I needed to quit school if I wanted help. My father, having learned of my pregnancy, had cut me off financially (he'd previously been helping with rent) and I was just trying to finish out the semester.

It was that or get a job -- but I was seven months pregnant and no one would hire me. I was trying and pretty much getting laughed at wherever I applied. Previously I'd been given food stamps by another caseworker who did not follow the rules about working while being a student.. and the state came after ME for those 3 months of food stamps that I received incorrectly. I successfully argued that it was not my job to know all the ins and outs and rules, that the worker should be held responsible here, and they dropped the issue but wow, what a learning experience.

The policies have changed over the years, of course, but the "system" still screws it all up and sometimes it is in favor of those who would abuse the system, but many times it hurts those truly in need. I worked for a short time for a contracting company that processed Medicaid and FS applications in Texas, but honestly most of what i learned I learned by researching on my own to help others who were in need and desperate and being denied. I accompanied someone to the food stamp office once to "argue" on her behalf and I was actually told by a worker that I should consider applying to work there once I finished my degree because I knew "more than most" about their own policies and procedures. Kind of sad, really.

Point is, I know that there are abuses within the system but it goes both ways and I no longer believe even 1/10th of what I "hear" about food stamp users, and I always question everything. I have been through the system trying to get help for myself and my children in the past, and have dealt with the system from that POV as well. It's eye opening.
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Old 04-14-2013, 08:13 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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Let's see-you can only afford $30 a week for food and a family on assistance has as good if not better standard of living as you. You need a better paying job, bro.

You're being disingenuous with your posts-I think it IS about the paltry amount of money you're forced to give to the poor.

Trust me on this-you're one slip of a brake pedal, a couple of mutating cells or some other catastrophe away from being in the same place they are. You may think you're immune from bad luck because you "work hard" (everyone thinks they work hard, btw), but you ain't.
Where did I say I could only afford $30/week for groceries? I choose to budget and save. I know it's cruel to expect others to exercise good judgement when shopping...

And once again, I have no issue with helping those in distress. Suggesting otherwise does not make it true.

Typical libs... Attack the person, ignore the issue.
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Old 04-14-2013, 08:22 PM
 
Location: Cold Springs, NV
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I wasn't even responding to the article, which I did not read. Merely commenting on my first hand observation.

My average grocery bill is $30/week. I make quite a bit more than the folks getting these SNAP cards, and I still feel like I need to budget wisely when I do my shopping. No fancy Mexican juices or plantains for me. Certainly not eating much prime rib over here. Heck, I don't even buy the little treats like cookies, candy or chips. Just the staples like rice, eggs, meats, potatoes. If I want a pizza, I make it from scratch because it's cheaper and more filling.

It's not about the little bit that is taken out of my paycheck to feed low income families. It's about the principle... Why should anyone's money be used to afford these folks the same standard of living as mine, or better?

Give them some incentive to work towards a better future. Maybe that's a future where they can afford to eat prime rib once in awhile. Maybe it's a future where they can eat like a middle class American. If you remove that incentive by giving them these things for nothing, you remove the incentive to work hard or pursue higher paying occupations. That's called communism, and it usually doesn't end well. What we have is a milder version called socialism, but every day, hardcore bleeding heart liberals want to push the envelope a little further.

I could have stayed in a shelled out town with little or no decent paying jobs. My last job there paid $12/hr, and that was considered a good paying job. I wanted better for myself, and I was willing to work hard to get there. Took a chance and moved somewhere that offered better paying opportunities. People used to do this all the time. Today, we give handouts so people don't have to migrate to better paying opportunities. What ever happened to the free market?
This is where you said $30 a week. Honestly, it appears that you are on the attack.
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Old 04-14-2013, 08:22 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Responding more because you added to your earlier post..

Someone in this story (your son or his friends or all of the above) is probably misinformed, bragging, exaggerating, etc. Most likely your son is repeating what he has heard or has been told. It's quite possible one or more of his friends has applied for and received food stamps and gotten the max for that month based on no income. However, if they are not, from that point forward, being required to participate in a work search program or get a job working at least 20 hours a week, then something is fishy and there may be a reason to suspect fraud.
It's not fraud. They changed the rules.

Here's a nice FAQ from a community college, not Texas mind you but this it the gist of SNAP today.
Being in school counts now.


Food Stamps/SNAP: Extra Financial Help for College Students
If you are in college more than half-time, you may qualify for SNAP if you meet any one of the conditions below:

You receive (any amount of )federal or state work-study monies,
You work for pay for 20 hours or more per week,
You care for a child under the age of 12 (further rules apply) or you get TAFDC,
You participate in a SNAP or other ‘employment and training program’,
You attend a Mass. community college and are enrolled in a credit degree or certificate program that the college determines will increase your employability,
You are age 50 or older, or you are under age 18, OR
You have a temporary or permanent physical and/or mental impairment.

Here's more:
I Got Food Stamps and So Can You! - TheCollegeConservative
Food stamps: Once associated with the poor, now commonly used among college students - The Root DC Live - The Washington Post

At the Fed level all they have to do is work 20 hours a week:
http://www.fns.usda.gov/snap/applica...s/students.htm

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_920819.html
Michigan has removed about 30,000 college students from its food stamp program -- close to double the initial estimate -- saving about $75 million a year, says Human Services Director Maura Corrigan.

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Old 04-15-2013, 12:26 PM
 
Location: Waterworld
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This is where you said $30 a week. Honestly, it appears that you are on the attack.
To be fair, he said that his average grocery bill is $30 a week, that does not equate to him being able to afford only $30 a week.
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Old 04-15-2013, 03:53 PM
 
Location: Lincoln County Road or Armageddon
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It was a temporary situation while I looked for a house or apartment of my liking to rent. I was paying her $350 a month in rent. She actually benefited immensely, and also illegally since the state was covering the expense of her housing. What's more, they were even OVERPAYING by about $60/month for her expenses. Gotta love our efficient government in action.




Yes. First step is the most fun. Have a few children. The more, the merrier. Next step, suddenly quit your job. You might also want to commit a few felonies to reduce the chances of ever finding meaningful employment going forward. Final step, hold your hand out. You'll never have to worry about paying silly bills, competing for that big promotion, or working silly OT again.





And to the point I was making... Why should I bust my behind to earn a middle class income and afford a middle class standard of living if the same could be had without any contribution? For me, it isn't about the taxes. The government could probably print the expenses away for all I know. It's about the principle. If you expect a certain standard of living, you should also be expected to work for it. There will always be those who get a bum deal, but that's life.

Kinda makes me feel like a sucker when I realize I could have the same things I have now while expecting tax payers to pay for it all. I imagine all the folks making just over the poverty line feel even worse. Some of them work 2 jobs just to afford an apartment, crappy car, crappy food.. They are likely living a lower standard of living than the welfare crowd. How is that fair?
Read your own posts and don't get so butt hurt when someone calls you out on them.
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Old 04-15-2013, 04:50 PM
 
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We pay for it either way, 85% o adult food stamp participants work,so all we are doing
is supplementing wages for cheap service goods, taxpayers subsidizing consumers,but the taxpayers are the consumers
its the samething with illegal immiigration.
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Old 04-15-2013, 05:01 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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Read your own posts and don't get so butt hurt when someone calls you out on them.
I wrote it. I know what I said. I'm more curious of what YOU read exactly??? Why should I subsidize Walmart's workforce? Why should we not expect the billionaire Walton snobs to pay their own damn employees enough to eat? And once again, it isn't about the money, it's about the principle... What happens when my boss turns around and tells me I should work for $8/hr because food stamps will take care of the rest? After all, that seems where the private sector is going in this country.
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Old 04-15-2013, 07:10 PM
 
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they can all do something-even if it is cleaning up the neighborhood for their food stamps. Everyone is capable of doing something to contribute to the society, aren't they? maybe they could volunteer to help the kids with reading at the library, growing a garden, helping animals at the shelter/zoo, or something-whatever they might like to do that would be beneficial.

it would weed out the users, and there would be zero reason to be angry at the remaining recipients-and then it would be a legitimate program.

of course, our congress likes us all fighting-because then we aren't looking at THEM and the money they are spending.
The roblm with having them do soenthignis you take liabilty just like their employer. I witnessed that with the summer jobs for youth where bascially they could do nayhtig outi side ebcause of ehat and only limited thinsg inside. Ended uo just having them sit in a room as the fedewral rules wehre so strick on what they could do.
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Old 04-15-2013, 07:52 PM
 
Location: Lincoln County Road or Armageddon
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I wrote it. I know what I said. I'm more curious of what YOU read exactly??? Why should I subsidize Walmart's workforce? Why should we not expect the billionaire Walton snobs to pay their own damn employees enough to eat? And once again, it isn't about the money, it's about the principle... What happens when my boss turns around and tells me I should work for $8/hr because food stamps will take care of the rest? After all, that seems where the private sector is going in this country.
I agree with you on that. All the talk about "job creators" this and "job creators" that during the last election made me sick. While Wal-Mart isn't the only one sucking down government subsidies, they are certainly one of the biggest offenders and the most non-repentant about it, and state and local governments just keep falling for it.

Hidden Taxpayer Costs | Good Jobs First

Wal-Mart Subsidy Watch - brought to you by Good Jobs First

Hopefully, your concern about working for $8 an hour never occurs, but I can see corporate America giving it a shot.
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