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We outsource because of the conditions America has in place. Taxes, benefits, etc which are all negative for a company to start a business here. It has less to do with the cost of labor and more to do with the conditions the company has to run under. Overseas has us beat on labor and conditions.
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We often make it personal but specifying the cost of labor, but that is not always the case... more than one international manufacturer has said they would rather have operations in the US but went to Mexico not because of labor cost but because Mexico has freer trade across the world.
Then in that case, it doesn't matter whether you accept it or not, but society. I wasn't around 30-40 years ago. It's not that globalism is evil, but the way we practice it makes it so. We don't put our economy first, instead we leave it out in the open for the wolves to pick away at. Meanwhile, not enough of the people realize how negative it has been for our economy, and how as a whole we're not better off under it, in the manner we practice it.
If you have to resort to talking about wolves picking at and devouring us, it's a reasonably safe bet that your understanding of the unavoidable process of globalization is an emotional one only. Keep in mind that while outputs have soared, every major manufacturing economy in the world has lost manufacturing jobs over the past 20 years and that US losses are only about average. Keep in mind that while it's easy to see job losses in mass layoff numbers or when some plant shuts down somewhere and a whole town loses its long-time way of life. The tear-jerker media will always show up for that sort of thing. It's much more diffcult to see the jobs that trade creates because they happen in small numbers over many and scattered locations. You'll never see a local news segment about the two new guys who got hired because export orders ticked up. Don't bother to wait for it.
If you have to resort to talking about wolves picking at and devouring us, it's a reasonably safe bet that your understanding of the unavoidable process of globalization is an emotional one only. Keep in mind that while outputs have soared, every major manufacturing economy in the world has lost manufacturing jobs over the past 20 years and that US losses are only about average. Keep in mind that while it's easy to see job losses in mass layoff numbers or when some plant shuts down somewhere and a whole town loses its long-time way of life. The tear-jerker media will always show up for that sort of thing. It's much more diffcult to see the jobs that trade creates because they happen in small numbers over many and scattered locations. You'll never see a local news segment about the two new guys who got hired because export orders ticked up. Don't bother to wait for it.
2. Nobody gets anything but boredom out of a one-trick pony.
3. Decisions about where to locate facilities are based on considerations of long-term profit potential that are themselves based on dozens of different variables. Nobody goes hopping around the world over mere tax or regulatory issues.
4. If it's supply that drives the economy, what was the deal with the Edsel? New Coke? The Apple Newton? Had an Arch Deluxe lately? And why are we spending all these billions on advertising? Is that supposed to pump up supply?
5. Every penny that the government pulls out of the private sector through taxation or borrowing, it turns around and pumps right back in again through spending. If you are an average person, some 20-25% of what you think of as your own hard-earned money is directly or indirectly the result of government spending.
6. Dozens of countries tax the income of residents on a worldwide basis. Like the US, most of them provide credits for taxes paid to other jurisdictions. What is different about the US is that we tax income on the basis of citizenship, not residency.
7. "Jobs" are not commodities that can be bagged or boxed up and shipped anywhere. Jobs appear and disappear all over the place all the time. All people talk about is the net effect -- i.e., after all the actually informative details have been rinsed out.
8. While China has about drawn even with us, we remain the world's largest manufacturing economy. We're just clever enough to do it with one-tenth the number of people that China uses.
2. Nobody gets anything but boredom out of a one-trick pony.
3. Decisions about where to locate facilities are based on considerations of long-term profit potential that are themselves based on dozens of different variables. Nobody goes hopping around the world over mere tax or regulatory issues.
4. If it's supply that drives the economy, what was the deal with the Edsel? New Coke? The Apple Newton? Had an Arch Deluxe lately? And why are we spending all these billions on advertising? Is that supposed to pump up supply?
5. Every penny that the government pulls out of the private sector through taxation or borrowing, it turns around and pumps right back in again through spending. If you are an average person, some 20-25% of what you think of as your own hard-earned money is directly or indirectly the result of government spending.
6. Dozens of countries tax the income of residents on a worldwide basis. Like the US, most of them provide credits for taxes paid to other jurisdictions. What is different about the US is that we tax income on the basis of citizenship, not residency.
7. "Jobs" are not commodities that can be bagged or boxed up and shipped anywhere. Jobs appear and disappear all over the place all the time. All people talk about is the net effect -- i.e., after all the actually informative details have been rinsed out.
8. While China has about drawn even with us, we remain the world's largest manufacturing economy. We're just clever enough to do it with one-tenth the number of people that China uses.
Apple paid no taxes. they purposefully chose countries that they could pay no taxes. they are the largest most successful American established company in existence today.
Advertising is to educate the consumer. supply is there to purchase.
every penny the government steals from its citizens makes a weaker economy. people in a free market vote with their money and establish companies/corporations they want or need. Governments forcefully take money from people and spend it on how they see fit. They create sectors in economies which may not exist if those taxes weren't taken from their rightful owners.
before our fiat currency federal income tax didn't exist. It exists because of the interest paid on the blank check book the federal reserve created. they enrich a private corporation which pays dividend interest. That is why it exists.
Make the conditions like the 1900's and our economy will prosper. government spending will be check mated and they won't be able to steal through inflation or create sectors they see fit because they will need to literally raise taxes, instead of stealing purchasing power through currency creation. Banks will also be check mated since they cannot steal wealth through massive leveraging and being back stopped by bailouts from the bankers in government.
Why doesn't every person in this world drive a Lamborghini or Ferrari? How about an Airplace of their own? People demand these products? What prevents them from getting them?
If we are driven by demand?
Chinese people have demand for washers that wash clothes...do you think they want to wash clothes by hand? Why don't they have washing machines?
Apple paid no taxes. they purposefully chose countries that they could pay no taxes. they are the largest most successful American established company in existence today.
Apple owes and pays billions in US federal, state, and local taxes. Particularly when they have a good year. Here, go read their Form 10-K if you don't believe it. The Form 10-K will tell you more than NewsMax or the Heritage Foundation or any other of your stnking disinformation sources ever will. The fact that Apple attributes its income from sales of intellectual property in a way that allows them to minimize taxation on some portion of that income is a long, long way from the story you are trying to tell. By the way, WalMart is the largest US corporation, followed by Exxon-Mobil. Apple is sixth.
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Advertising is to educate the consumer. supply is there to purchase.
"This is the age of taking action" is educational in what way exactly? And you haven't yet explained the total failure of a supply of Edsels to generate anything but a great waste of time and resources.
You further engage in a fallacy of equivocation with regard to the word "demand". The economic term does not refer to preferences or aspirations or whatever are the demands of a crying infant. Aim higher.
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every penny the government steals from its citizens makes a weaker economy.
Did you miss the part about how the government gives every penny right back to your "citizens" again?
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Governments forcefully take money from people and spend it on how they see fit. They create sectors in economies which may not exist if those taxes weren't taken from their rightful owners.
The government spends money as the elected representatives of the people see fit. That's what they are there for. It's been this way since 1789. No bureaucrat anywhere can spend a dime unless he has an authorization and appropriation from Congress. Many "sectors" of the economy would not exist in the absence of government simply because the private sector can't accomplish them, either at all or with any actual degree of efficiency.
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before our fiat currency federal income tax didn't exist.
Income taxes were first proposed during the War of 1812. They first existed during the Civil War. They were revived in the 1890's but struck down by the Supreme Court in a shocking decision that prompted a groundswell of popular support that led to the 16th Amendment.
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Did you miss the part about how the government gives every penny right back to your "citizens" again?
The government spends money as the elected representatives of the people see fit. That's what they are there for. It's been this way since 1789. No bureaucrat anywhere can spend a dime unless he has an authorization and appropriation from Congress. Many "sectors" of the economy would not exist in the absence of government simply because the private sector can't accomplish them, either at all or with any actual degree of efficiency.
Haha WOW. Again, some people live in reality, and some are stuck in a fantasy world. I certainly did miss the part about how our government gives every penny right back to you again. Seems like the government takes quite a bit away, and then you NEVER see it again. That's because in the real world, they blow a good majority of it on useless wars, pork projects, and bailing out their buddies on the taxpayer dime. Congress has a 10% approval rating. Some people need to find reality quickly.
Haha WOW. Again, some people live in reality, and some are stuck in a fantasy world. I certainly did miss the part about how our government gives every penny right back to you again. Seems like the government takes quite a bit away, and then you NEVER see it again. That's because in the real world, they blow a good majority of it on useless wars, pork projects, and bailing out their buddies on the taxpayer dime. Congress has a 10% approval rating. Some people need to find reality quickly.
Reality is that spending equals taxation plus borrowing. It is a zero-sum game. What goes in, must come out again. You don't seem to have advanced to that level yet. Your "useless wars" for instance mean mega-payments to private sector contractors, while your "pork projects" mean private sector jobs, payrolls, and commerce -- some of it right near where you live if your congressperson is doing his or her job. And which bailouts did you think were funded by tax dollars again?
And since you seem for some reason to believe that it actually matters in any actual way, shape, or form, what would you think the maximum or even a desirable "approval rating" for Congress would be?
Keep in mind that most of the judging you want to appeal to here is being done in a complete vacuum by people who can't name their own representatives, much less tell you what those or any of the rest of them might actually have done lately. Appeals to utter incompetency may be a staple of your posts, but these are not particularly persuasive.
Did you miss the part about how the government gives every penny right back to your "citizens" again?
The government spends money as the elected representatives of the people see fit. That's what they are there for. It's been this way since 1789. No bureaucrat anywhere can spend a dime unless he has an authorization and appropriation from Congress. Many "sectors" of the economy would not exist in the absence of government simply because the private sector can't accomplish them, either at all or with any actual degree of efficiency.
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What the government does in reality is to take money from the productive citizens and redistribute those funds to the unproductive citizens. The purpose of this practice is not the welfare of the country, but to control and stifle the upward mobility of the working class.
As far as how the congress spends the money it usurps from the citizens, the vast majority of the money is spent illegally as nowhere in the Constitution is the government given the power to take from one citizen and to give to another. Davy Crockett schooled Congress one day on this subject. The Congress is given only the power to tax citizens in so far as that money is used to pay the debts of the country. Welfare is not a debt.
To take money from one man and give it to another without his consent is a power not given to Congress by the Constitution. It is therefore illegal.
What the government does in reality is to take money from the productive citizens and redistribute those funds to the unproductive citizens. The purpose of this practice is not the welfare of the country, but to control and stifle the upward mobility of the working class.
As far as how the congress spends the money it usurps from the citizens, the vast majority of the money is spent illegally as nowhere in the Constitution is the government given the power to take from one citizen and to give to another. Davy Crockett schooled Congress one day on this subject. The Congress is given only the power to tax citizens in so far as that money is used to pay the debts of the country. Welfare is not a debt.
To take money from one man and give it to another without his consent is a power not given to Congress by the Constitution. It is therefore illegal.
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