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Old 08-23-2013, 06:15 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles area
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You are the one making the moral argument. I have refuted some of its validity due to gentrification slanting it in your favor. I would say the same about Robinson Caruso who would charge me rent by reminding him he swam to a free island....
I have a question about that fellow who swam to a free island. Was he a pretty good singer?
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Old 08-23-2013, 09:34 AM
 
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What is this thread really about, when we get to the bottom of it? Not the economy, I submit. The OP is depressed, and "needs" to move to a different city based on the hope that the change of location will help with the depression. Therefore, the present job is abandoned before a new job is found.

While I certainly hope for the OP's sake that the strategy works, color me skeptical. We can run away from a location, but what are we faced with once we arrive at the new place? Ourselves! We cannot run away from ourselves.
I think that is pretty much the majority view. Even the most happy Disney world looks like a Tim Burton film in depression. A long period of unemployment doesn't help on top of that. He is trying to do something about it, which is great, even though his plan of action is not the best.

Pyschological projection for gloomy scenarios in the world (reflecting gloomy internal scenarios) like this is pretty common, and usually a blind spot for the person doing it. The OP has been PMing me with all sorts of nasty insults because I was the first to point it out, and I guess I am to blame for anyone else showing him the same issues.

I don't think we are going to be able to get through to him. He's likely going to just need to go to the new place, realize that this sort of thing is internal, and decide to get better or blame the world around him.
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Old 08-23-2013, 09:50 AM
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Location: The Sand Hills of NC
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What do most people choose to ignore that there are way too many people for the available jobs? Not just here but all over the world.

Machines are taking place of workers but it does not take one person to maintain each machine.

Too many people and that's just the way it is.

Just glad I won't be here in another 50 years.
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Old 08-23-2013, 10:28 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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To summarize:

- If you leave a job you like because you want a change and have trouble getting another job, that is not all the economy's fault.

- If you are not immediately provided a good paying job upon graduation, that is not all the college's fault.

- If you do not properly use apostrophes and misspell words, that is not all the public education system's fault.

- If you must drink wine while lamenting the economy, that is not all the one-percenters' fault.

There is something called personal accountability, even while times are tough.

In the immortal words of Ashton Kutcher (can't believe I'm quoting him):

"I believe that opportunity looks a lot like hard work. I've never had a job in my life that I was better than. I was always just lucky to have a job. And every job I had was a steppingstone to my next job, and I never quit my job until I had my next job."
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Old 08-23-2013, 12:40 PM
 
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Thank you. I am feeling confident in myself. I have studied very diligently this year so that I can pass. Also, my last employer has a branch in Atlanta (where I am moving to) they definitely encouraged me to apply for positions when I get there and post all my references. I will make it all work out.
Atlanta? Oh boy, you might want to apply NOW before heading out there. That's one city that you need to have a job lined up before moving to!

I would have stayed working and applied for a transfer, but I'm older and take less risks.
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Old 08-23-2013, 02:38 PM
 
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It already happened in Japan, but with less severity since land is rather more scarce in Japan. Its difficult for land to become worthless and fall into deep negative equity. But the principle is simple. If you have an apple tree that produces 100 apples, and the land owner demands 80 apples because his mortgage demands 75 apples and the state wants 10 apples then an apple tree can support the rentier and financier and property tax. Thats 20 apples for the grower. However if it can only produce 50 apples then it will sit idle until the rentier, financier and state take less than 50. Its worth less than worthless land for industry. That is why Germany is Europe's work shop. They have the least amount of financial wealth that drives up the costs of industry.

On the positive side Japanese are smart enough not to go into private debt which is why the public debt to GDP ratio is so high. There is little bank credit driving down the ratio. Most people have that metric backwards.
Actually less than 15 the state wants 10 the mortgage wants 75 the owner wants some as well so 75+10+more= more than 85. So the renter gets less than 15 out of 100 apples.
I'm not arguing the point just the math didn't quite add up.


Why is business going away in the US? This isn't am absolute but a trend? Because too many people are saying we want an apple from the tree and there isn't enough apples to go around. Corporations are moving jobs to where there aren't as many apples already committed. But to keep the game going we are being loaned apples today that we will need to come up with tomorrow. But we are cutting down our apple trees and using the space for something else. We need to start planting apple trees and fast.
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Old 08-23-2013, 02:48 PM
 
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There is something called personal accountability, even while times are tough.

Yes there is and what are we collectively doing about the crappy macro economic situation? We are all, when taken together, accountable for it personally. We have allowed public policy to be put in place that is contrary to our nations best interest. What are we doing about it? Saying it isn't our personal responsibility to do something about it? Saying don't worry about it just take care of ourselves?


If we all took some personal responsibility for the big picture it would improve radically.
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Old 08-23-2013, 03:23 PM
 
Location: The hills of western Washington
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Yes there is and what are we collectively doing about the crappy macro economic situation? We are all, when taken together, accountable for it personally. We have allowed public policy to be put in place that is contrary to our nations best interest. What are we doing about it? Saying it isn't our personal responsibility to do something about it? Saying don't worry about it just take care of ourselves?


If we all took some personal responsibility for the big picture it would improve radically.


Don't know what you are doing to help, but...

We own two companies. One is manufacturing & distribution. The other is strictly distribution. Both companies sell ONLY products made in America, of primarily American sourced parts & materials, made & sold by people who have the legal right to work in America. We have created good jobs for our fellow Americans.

We don't spend time micro-analyzing the "economy", we just keep doing what we're doing better & better. So, I have little to no sympathy for those whining about how they can't have success.


By the way, it appears the "insane traveler" has been smacked by the moderators for his behavior...
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Old 08-23-2013, 09:54 PM
 
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Don't know what you are doing to help, but...
What I am good at is thinking out side of the box.
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We own two companies. One is manufacturing & distribution. The other is strictly distribution. Both companies sell ONLY products made in America, of primarily American sourced parts & materials, made & sold by people who have the legal right to work in America. We have created good jobs for our fellow Americans.
Good and good
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We don't spend time micro-analyzing the "economy", we just keep doing what we're doing better & better. So, I have little to no sympathy for those whining about how they can't have success.
A bit of sympathy for those that have encountered situations beyond their control goes a long way.
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By the way, it appears the "insane traveler" has been smacked by the moderators for his behavior...
My personal plans if they ever come together include outsourcing, but at close to US competitive wages. Nothing like paying them enough to bey our goods to level the playing field. I intend to outsource at a loss. Do my bit to shorten the time it will take for wages to equalize world wide. But that is just me.
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Old 08-23-2013, 10:11 PM
 
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Actually less than 15 the state wants 10 the mortgage wants 75 the owner wants some as well so 75+10+more= more than 85. So the renter gets less than 15 out of 100 apples.
I'm not arguing the point just the math didn't quite add up.
Glad you paid attention, Good job, it doesn't surprise me, but the math works. Land speculators go after the capital gain and often run on negative cash flows.

Hence land value rises by the speculation of rising land prices negating the cash flow issue and then some. Many speculators operate on negative cash flows.



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Why is business going away in the US? This isn't am absolute but a trend? Because too many people are saying we want an apple from the tree and there isn't enough apples to go around. Corporations are moving jobs to where there aren't as many apples already committed. But to keep the game going we are being loaned apples today that we will need to come up with tomorrow. But we are cutting down our apple trees and using the space for something else. We need to start planting apple trees and fast.

The elites have plenty of apples. Hunting grounds are fun.
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