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Old 11-21-2007, 03:07 PM
 
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That rarely happens.

We started buying grain in 50# bags, back then it was $5 a bag. Now days it costs us $10 a bag. Grinding flour does drop the price of bread.

Between wheat, barley, oats, and corn; you can easily slash most folk's food budgets.

It has worked for us to buy apartment buildings. No money down and a positive cash flow. But you have to be willing to make all repairs yourself and to manage the renters.
So what if you work so many hours just to afford basic housing that you lack the time to grind your own bread? What happens if say, the little issue of scurvey, or osteoporosis forces you to eat more then just grains?



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There is no need for anyone in America to starve. Ever. With the possible exception of mental problems.

We are a land of wealth.

If you only made $100/year, you still could not starve. Our socialist system would never allow it.
Our "socialist" system? Thats laughable. You do know that the federal poverty line is below the minimum cost of living in almost every locale, right? You also know that most income guidelines used for government assistance are outdated and dont remotely keep pace with inflation as well, correct?
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Old 11-21-2007, 03:43 PM
 
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forest beekeeper wrote:
If you only made $100/year, you still could not starve. Our socialist system would never allow it.
I will assume that you are being sarcastic or simply joking. I can almost hear the laughter of a citizen from a socialist country upon reading your statement.

Happy Thanksgiving....Franco
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Old 11-21-2007, 04:01 PM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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So what if you work so many hours just to afford basic housing that you lack the time to grind your own bread? What happens if say, the little issue of scurvey, or osteoporosis forces you to eat more then just grains?
Yes, and what if a meteor strikes you?

What if Mrs. Brown's cow kicks an oil lantern causing a fire and it burns down your home?
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Old 11-21-2007, 04:02 PM
 
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There is no need for anyone in America to starve. Ever. With the possible exception of mental problems.

We are a land of wealth.

If you only made $100/year, you still could not starve. Our socialist system would never allow it.
Wow! You are obviously out of touch with everyday America. We have people freeze and starve here every winter. We have people who are underfed and cannot get help.

Are you referring to the food aid programs we used to have? I'll clue you in on a secret: they are dead and gone...

You can no longer go to a food pantry and get free butter, milk, etc. The pantries were dumped by a previous administration and never revived. Apparently it was costing the rich in the U.S. too much money on their tax bill so it had to go.

And before you ask the obvious question: No, I won't go find facts to back it up. Do your own research. I'm no one's personal Librarian.
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Old 11-21-2007, 04:13 PM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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We have food pantrys here in Maine.

I recently moved here from Ct, they have food pantrys there in Ct.

Last night's TV news' biggest story was about a group of food pantrys in a city near by.

The town next to us has a food pantry that my VFW commonly donates food to.
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Old 11-25-2007, 07:35 PM
 
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I've got to agree with Philip T. The rich know how to make tax free income, the poor do not.
Actually the main difference between rich and poor.

Rich know how to use debt to buy appreciating assets and accounts receivables.
Poor know how to use debt to buy depreciationg assets and liabilities.
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Old 11-26-2007, 07:07 AM
 
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I've got to agree with Philip T. The rich know how to make tax free income, the poor do not.
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Actually the main difference between rich and poor.

Rich know how to use debt to buy appreciating assets and accounts receivables.
Poor know how to use debt to buy depreciationg assets and liabilities.
I think that folks who are wealth accumulators do both.

They invest in methods that shelter them from taxes, and they pay attention to their appreciating /depreciating assets and liabilities.

I agree that some use debt, I have. However not all use debt. Some have been able to accumulate great Net Worth while avoiding debt.
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Old 11-26-2007, 10:27 AM
 
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We have food pantrys here in Maine.

I recently moved here from Ct, they have food pantrys there in Ct.

Last night's TV news' biggest story was about a group of food pantrys in a city near by.

The town next to us has a food pantry that my VFW commonly donates food to.

Are you completely oblivious to the articles coming out almost every day that state that the food banks/free kitchens are stretched beyond their breaking points? Turns out, those "poor people" who arent getting poorer, are increasingly turning to handouts because they can no longer get by on the pittance afforded to them by the wealthy.
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Old 11-26-2007, 10:31 AM
 
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Actually the main difference between rich and poor.

Rich know how to use debt to buy appreciating assets and accounts receivables.
Poor know how to use debt to buy depreciationg assets and liabilities.

Do you think any of this has to do with discretionary income?

The rich have additional income after purchasing "depreciating assets and liabilities", to invest in appreciating assets and receivables.

The poor almost always have nothing left after basic bills, which are usually all consumption in nature, to even consider placing any money in any type of investment. They are also BY FAR the most likely to be turned down for loans to turn in to appreciating assets.
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Old 11-26-2007, 10:52 AM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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Are you completely oblivious to the articles coming out almost every day that state that the food banks/free kitchens are stretched beyond their breaking points? Turns out, those "poor people" who arent getting poorer, are increasingly turning to handouts because they can no longer get by on the pittance afforded to them by the wealthy.
Anyone who operates a soup kitchen, who says to a news reporter that his cupboards are full, will no longer recieve any donations.

Soup kitchens operate from donations.

They operate year around, yet the bulk of their donations arrive now.

They must present an argument to encourage donations, in season with when folks are willing to donate.

I also watched last night on TV as they were interviewing foks in a local soup kitchen. Two of the men wating were saying how much they loved it as: "Anyone who does not feel like cooking for themselves can come down here and be welcomed no questions asked."
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