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Old 02-13-2014, 12:27 PM
 
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.......1st of all no one gets paid 30k to flip burgers its min wage which is 7-8 bucks.....
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Old 02-13-2014, 01:05 PM
 
Location: East of Seattle since 1992, 615' Elevation, Zone 8b - originally from SF Bay Area
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.......1st of all no one gets paid 30k to flip burgers its min wage which is 7-8 bucks.....
It's $9.32 here and most places are paying $10-11 because they have trouble finding people and high turnover (still not $30k).
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Old 02-13-2014, 04:16 PM
 
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Don't understand why this is even up for debate......this country prospered when workers were paid and treated well.

That means unions, overtime pay, minimum wage, 40 hour work week. All of these in some way represented an additional "cost" to employers. All of that represented additional money in workers pockets......yet there was no hyperinflation and mass layoffs like so many of the pro-slavery scaremongerers on here wail about; in fact this country prospered into superpower status off the back of strong workers with strong purchasing power.

Did any of you forget that it was massive government spending which propelled the U.S. into superpower status? Literally every citizen was on the government's payroll. That program was called World War II. After the soldiers came home, the government further wasted your tax dollars by investing billions of dollars into their education via the G.I. bill.

And then Eisenhower, that socialist traitor he was, connected the country via the interstate highway act.

No, backwater bazaar free-markets did not make the U.S.A what it is today. It was massive government investment that industrialized, educated, and connected all of us into one single market. Then and only then, were private corporations free to hawk their Big Macs and trinkets to the masses.

Now that our manufacturing is offshored, technology is automating many jobs out of existence, white collar jobs are moving to India and Phillipines.....wage growth essentially has stagnated and you people continue to outright endorse your own country's demise by further choking the lifeblood of this economy which is the consumer.

That's right, let's punish everyone for their poor choices (pick whatever "moral sin" you can shake your fist in self-righteous indignation at). Let's make everyone who ever made a mistake in their life suffer with slave wages because it make you feel better that there are those "beneath you" to point and laugh at.

We'll turn into a latin american style banana republic, replete with flavela style slums but hey, those dirty poor people deserved it right?
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Old 02-14-2014, 06:30 PM
 
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I still do not understand why are the these cheap chain restaurants not using automation to reduce costs already.

have it done with automation have the burgers made in front of them and out it goes to them. The technology has already been invented but no one wants to put it into place.
it is extremely easy to do and implement.

these jobs are essentially WORTHLESS.

if they would replace all of them then there would be a higher need for technician jobs instead which would pay them more.

but again these MCD restaurant jobs are worthless to society.
JUST GO TO A DELI they taste better and they are actually COOKED maybe with REAL meat instead for the same price.
especially since MCD is jacking up prices anyway.

go to a mom and pop shop to buy these things.
the only reason to go MCD was because they were cheap you can now help a local business instead

no reason not to.

HELP small businesses.


REFUSE high min wage MCD/chain fast food workers

also again I ask why do you need a license to sell on the streets? stupid government forbidding poor people from opening food stands.
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Old 02-14-2014, 07:44 PM
 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLr5oWfoWRY

Well, I find this video a bit disingenuous. The way I see it is that we live in a society where it is a free market for the poor but anything BUT a free market for the rich. I am a free market capitalist but I believe in free market for all.

The rich get all sorts of subsidies from the government including cheap money that is not free market risk priced, loopholes in the laws made so that they can evade taxes etc. etc. A prime example is Mitt Romney himself who admitted that he paid 14% income tax on an income of $43 million, whereas last year I paid 33% making a fraction of that. A system that is totally unfair and unjust.

The lower rung of society get none of these benefits. Therefore, in order to make the system equitable across the board we should either fix the system so that all players rich or poor play by the same rules OR we should provide some sort of minimum support to the lower class so that greedy corporations making record profits (such as Walmart's record $17 billion in net profits last year) do not exploit these people.

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Old 02-14-2014, 10:08 PM
 
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What I think a lot of people are missing is that not everybody is capable of a "career." I know in America we like to believe that everybody is special and has some great talent. The truth is most people don't. But even if they did, there aren't enough big deal jobs to go around, so people would still work fast food. You eithet want these people to have some dignity or you don't. It's not that complicated.
Nailed it!
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Old 02-14-2014, 10:15 PM
 
Location: Nashville, TN -
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Don't understand why this is even up for debate......this country prospered when workers were paid and treated well.

That means unions, overtime pay, minimum wage, 40 hour work week. All of these in some way represented an additional "cost" to employers. All of that represented additional money in workers pockets......yet there was no hyperinflation and mass layoffs like so many of the pro-slavery scaremongerers on here wail about; in fact this country prospered into superpower status off the back of strong workers with strong purchasing power.

Did any of you forget that it was massive government spending which propelled the U.S. into superpower status? Literally every citizen was on the government's payroll. That program was called World War II. After the soldiers came home, the government further wasted your tax dollars by investing billions of dollars into their education via the G.I. bill.

And then Eisenhower, that socialist traitor he was, connected the country via the interstate highway act.

No, backwater bazaar free-markets did not make the U.S.A what it is today. It was massive government investment that industrialized, educated, and connected all of us into one single market. Then and only then, were private corporations free to hawk their Big Macs and trinkets to the masses.

Now that our manufacturing is offshored, technology is automating many jobs out of existence, white collar jobs are moving to India and Phillipines.....wage growth essentially has stagnated and you people continue to outright endorse your own country's demise by further choking the lifeblood of this economy which is the consumer.

That's right, let's punish everyone for their poor choices (pick whatever "moral sin" you can shake your fist in self-righteous indignation at). Let's make everyone who ever made a mistake in their life suffer with slave wages because it make you feel better that there are those "beneath you" to point and laugh at.

We'll turn into a latin american style banana republic, replete with flavela style slums but hey, those dirty poor people deserved it right?

I don't know who you are, go-getta. But would it be entirely inappropriate of me to say that I LOVE YOU?
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Old 02-14-2014, 10:31 PM
 
Location: Tulare County, Ca
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Old 02-14-2014, 10:32 PM
 
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Companies are not looking for good employees. They are looking for warm bodies to do work until they get fed up and quit since there are plenty of warm bodies out there to replace them with. The post saying we're going back to the 18th century is pretty accurate.

Absolutely correct. We are now living in the Gilded Age of the 21st century. Only now, workers are not industrial slaves; they are SERVICE slaves.
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Old 02-15-2014, 12:11 AM
 
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I agree on the idea that minimum wage should be 'livable' wage.
However, if this $15/hr minimum wage happens, we would see $8~10/gal for gas shortly thereafter.
Multiplying everything by x is not going to solve anything other than getting one step closer to Zimbabwe.
We need different approach to resolve fundamental problem of livable wage.
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