How is the economy doing? (tier, percentage, conversion, refund)

[EugeneOnegin]

Originally Posted by speeddev1l

Again, I am in Southern California, we don't have "winter" here. Yesterday it was 78F and sunny, today it's 80F and sunny, tommorow it's going to be 77F and sunny... etc. etc. Southern California has two seasons - sunny in winter and even sunnier in summer LOL!

It's probably because they don't have any disposable income left over after paying for taxes, housing, gas, and illegals.

[EugeneOnegin]

I think the economy will mostly keep treading water for the immediate future with some marginal improvement. The recent economic data has been pretty poor though. We'll see how much of that is from the snowstorms and polar vortices and how much is real in the coming months.

[GraniteStater]

Location Location... Economy is doing fine here and has historically always been about slow steady consistent growth due to diversification and the fact that people here have a strong vested interest in investing and growing talent and businesses locally. I see a few problem patches, but that has to do with factors that are a bit more structural and demographic related.

[Larry Caldwell]

Originally Posted by speeddev1l

Again, I am in Southern California, we don't have "winter" here. Yesterday it was 78F and sunny, today it's 80F and sunny, tommorow it's going to be 77F and sunny... etc. etc. Southern California has two seasons - sunny in winter and even sunnier in summer LOL!

People ride all year long, tomorrow I am taking both bikes out for a long ride because the weather has been so perfect. Infact I am looking out from my window and can't believe how awesome it is outside for a nice walk with just a t-shirt while the rest of the US is freezing over! Yes, I am infact rubbing it in but why shouldn't I? We folks here pay through our noses and asses and everything else to live here because the cost of living is astronomical...may as well brag about the weather

SoCal is a dinky little place. There's always guys scooting around town, but the riders won't be out until they can cruise.

[malamute]

Originally Posted by GraniteStater

Location Location... Economy is doing fine here and has historically always been about slow steady consistent growth due to diversification and the fact that people here have a strong vested interest in investing and growing talent and businesses locally. I see a few problem patches, but that has to do with factors that are a big more structural and demographic related.

Yes. My relatives lost everything in one state, they were in debt and couldn't not find jobs. They packed up their mini-van and headed to N. Dakota and immediately found good paying jobs -- they're in their late 50s and got out of debt within a year. They're now living on an all cash basis, buying up land in another state and saving tons of money.

Where I live, the recession never hit.

[malamute]

Originally Posted by mathjak107

many of the unemployed left over today are really un-employable. they are a reflection of themselves and not the economy.

many we see come in:

can't pass a background check
can't pass a drug test
can't pass a credit check.

many can't get through a simple math test

others speak english so poorly you wonder if it was even a 2nd language

others dress like they are going to a gang fight.

we have not even gotten to their job skills yet


we had others come in for low level jobs tell us if we don't pay 20 bucks an hour they are not interested because they make more than that on employment and working off the books at the local deli.

True -- there is that - and anyone who prefers using drugs and dressing like a gang member really isn't looking for a job, they just have to tell their welfare social worker they're looking so they can stay on welfare handouts.

Remittances to Central American countries including Mexico are at an all time high, remittances have gone up throughout the recession and are still rising -- illegals are having no trouble finding jobs.

[mathjak107]

Many illegals have jobs we won't do. I don't remember the last time i saw an american delivering chinese food on a bicycle in the dead of winter.

[mrviking]

Originally Posted by mathjak107

Many illegals have jobs we won't do. I don't remember the last time i saw an american delivering chinese food on a bicycle in the dead of winter.

They also have jobs we would do, many many jobs.. Home Construction is over run by illegals doing work americans would do. GOOD paying jobs!!!!!!!!!!!!

[tallrick]

Originally Posted by mathjak107

Many illegals have jobs we won't do. I don't remember the last time i saw an american delivering chinese food on a bicycle in the dead of winter.

I see plenty of American citizens delivering food in something called an automobile. Never saw any of them use a bicycle even here in sunny Florida.

[bobtn]

Originally Posted by mathjak107

Many illegals have jobs we won't do. I don't remember the last time i saw an american delivering chinese food on a bicycle in the dead of winter.

Or picking crops, 300 days per year, sunup to sundown.