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Old 09-18-2014, 03:17 PM
 
Location: Clinton Township, MI
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MaseMan

It's called negotiating. Start high, and settle somewhere in the middle. Why is that lost in the discussion? No one seriously thinks the minimum wage is going to rise to $15.00/hr. As far as I know, there isn't a single proposal in congress to raise it to that level.
Forget Congress, just review the different local and state governments. I'm sure you haven't forgotten about Seattle have you?

Seattle raises minimum wage to $15 an hour

They aren't using some "business negotiation strategy" they are pushing for a $15 an hour wage to drop french fries at McDonalds and move a mop across the floor. That's what they want. If they get 40 hours a week that's about $30,000 a year. You have people with bachelor's degrees that are starting out at about that much a year right now.

In regards to it being illegal for the Subway Corporation to mandate what their independent franchise owners pay, that might be up for debate as the Subway Corporation has a list of organizational formalities that must be followed by each individual owner. If they wanted to mandate that every employee be given "certain benefits" they could most likely do that.

This is just like Warren Buffet getting up moaning about how his secretary pays a higher tax rate than he does, when he's paid off capital gains (money that was already taxed ONCE at the income level and then taxed TWICE at the capital gains level) and she's paid off income (money that's being taxed for the FIRST TIME). If Buffet feels as though he's paying too little, then Buffet....what's stopping you from sending in more money? Just put a note with the check that you wanted to "donate" some money to the US Government because you don't believe they are collecting enough in taxes from "the rich". But do you see Buffet doing that? Of course not, because it's all propaganda.

Socialism doesn't hurt the people AT THE TOP, that's why you will find some rich people pushing for it, socialism only hurts the people in the middle and at the bottom.
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Old 09-18-2014, 03:41 PM
 
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Forget Congress, just review the different local and state governments. I'm sure you haven't forgotten about Seattle have you?

Seattle raises minimum wage to $15 an hour

They aren't using some "business negotiation strategy" they are pushing for a $15 an hour wage to drop french fries at McDonalds and move a mop across the floor. That's what they want. If they get 40 hours a week that's about $30,000 a year. You have people with bachelor's degrees that are starting out at about that much a year right now.

In regards to it being illegal for the Subway Corporation to mandate what their independent franchise owners pay, that might be up for debate as the Subway Corporation has a list of organizational formalities that must be followed by each individual owner. If they wanted to mandate that every employee be given "certain benefits" they could most likely do that.

This is just like Warren Buffet getting up moaning about how his secretary pays a higher tax rate than he does, when he's paid off capital gains (money that was already taxed ONCE at the income level and then taxed TWICE at the capital gains level) and she's paid off income (money that's being taxed for the FIRST TIME). If Buffet feels as though he's paying too little, then Buffet....what's stopping you from sending in more money? Just put a note with the check that you wanted to "donate" some money to the US Government because you don't believe they are collecting enough in taxes from "the rich". But do you see Buffet doing that? Of course not, because it's all propaganda.

Socialism doesn't hurt the people AT THE TOP, that's why you will find some rich people pushing for it, socialism only hurts the people in the middle and at the bottom.

Warren Buffett Crushes Republicans On Taxes - YouTube
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Old 09-18-2014, 05:31 PM
 
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Right because everyone who is poor is so because they overspend you have no idea if that is true you just what to push your poor hating agenda. You seem to want to excuse the business owner of any responsibility.
I don't "hate the poor". I was raised poor, but never realized it until I was older.

The business owner bears absolutely zero responsibility for your livelihood, other than offering you fair pay for your value to them.
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Old 09-18-2014, 05:35 PM
 
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Not that I disagree with this statement, but you miss a few things:
1) The R's have been even more culpable in the illegal immigration problem.
2) The native born over surplus is just as bad a problem; maybe even worse.

Can't cherry pick at it.
Gotta face it all.
I am absolutely agnostic politically when it comes to illegal immigration.

The fact remains that there are many more low skilled people than there are jobs to support them.
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Old 09-18-2014, 06:17 PM
 
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There will be "stealing" one way or the other. Either you "steal" the benefits of living in a society with poverty more or less controlled, without paying for those benefits, or you let others "steal" from you to get them those benefits without all the funding coming from others.

So arguing that theft is never justified doesn't get you where you want, because the options are not "theft vs. no theft", but "one type of theft versus another".

And this is completely leaving aside the issue of why you are elevating the principle of no theft above all others including the right to life.
So this is the moral code you accept? Theft as an accepted and inevitable paradigm, and we just need to pick the victims?
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Old 09-18-2014, 06:22 PM
 
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Originally Posted by jotucker99 View Post
Forget Congress, just review the different local and state governments. I'm sure you haven't forgotten about Seattle have you?

Seattle raises minimum wage to $15 an hour

They aren't using some "business negotiation strategy" they are pushing for a $15 an hour wage to drop french fries at McDonalds and move a mop across the floor. That's what they want. If they get 40 hours a week that's about $30,000 a year. You have people with bachelor's degrees that are starting out at about that much a year right now.

In regards to it being illegal for the Subway Corporation to mandate what their independent franchise owners pay, that might be up for debate as the Subway Corporation has a list of organizational formalities that must be followed by each individual owner. If they wanted to mandate that every employee be given "certain benefits" they could most likely do that.

This is just like Warren Buffet getting up moaning about how his secretary pays a higher tax rate than he does, when he's paid off capital gains (money that was already taxed ONCE at the income level and then taxed TWICE at the capital gains level) and she's paid off income (money that's being taxed for the FIRST TIME). If Buffet feels as though he's paying too little, then Buffet....what's stopping you from sending in more money? Just put a note with the check that you wanted to "donate" some money to the US Government because you don't believe they are collecting enough in taxes from "the rich". But do you see Buffet doing that? Of course not, because it's all propaganda.

Socialism doesn't hurt the people AT THE TOP, that's why you will find some rich people pushing for it, socialism only hurts the people in the middle and at the bottom.
Socialism hurts everyone, because it is based on a corrupt and depraved premise. That it is acceptable to take the property of one person, and give it to another based on his or her need.

"I need something. You have it. I am going to take it."

Is that a precept upon which to build a rational and moral society? No. Of course not.
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Old 09-18-2014, 07:07 PM
 
Location: Paranoid State
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...Basically, retarded people abound on both sides...
That's rather insulting to retarded people.
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Old 09-18-2014, 07:11 PM
 
Location: it depends
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$7.25/Hr is a JOKE
Yes, it is truly amazing that those people fail to find a way to become more useful to the rest of us.

I would bet that most people in the top 10% income today started out at minimum wage. And they got better, smarter, skilled, educated, whatever it took to be of greater value.

Everybody making $7.25 is worth it--otherwise they would be going to a better job for more money every day.

Do you remember that in 2007 the minimum wage was $5.15? A 40% increase didn't really help the hopeless.
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Old 09-18-2014, 07:14 PM
 
Location: Vallejo
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That's rather insulting to retarded people.
In what way?

Are retarded people supposed to be apolitical or something?
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Old 09-18-2014, 07:53 PM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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Minimum Wage is greater than the poverty level.



Minimum Wage is: $13,920 per year

"The federal minimum wage is $7.25 per hour effective July 24, 2009" - http://www.dol.gov/whd/minimumwage.htm
7.25/hour X 160 hour = $1,160/month, X 12 = $13,920/year



Poverty level is: $11,670 per year

$11,670 - http://aspe.hhs.gov/poverty/14poverty.cfm

$11,670 - http://www.medicaid.gov/Medicaid-CHI...vel-charts.pdf

US$11,490 - Poverty threshold - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



$13,920 is greater than $11,670



Now for the math impaired. Let me try that again. Slowly.

$13k is bigger than $11k

If you work fulltime flipping burgers, you can expect to earn over $13k every year [which is more than poverty].

Poverty is less than minimum-wage, poverty level is set at only $11k.



Now in case you missed it. 13 is bigger than 11.

Minimum Wage is greater than the poverty level.



If anyone has a hard time understanding why 13 is more than 11, we can do this again and again and again for you.
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