In a future withut labor, what would an economy look like?

[prosopis]

Originally Posted by MrRational

Had he made such an assumption...

The assumption is implicit in this sentence: "a set of rules that let's everyone share in the benefits of the automated labor society"

I agree that technological advances and automation are inevitable and society has no choice but to adapt to them. I disagree that human nature will ever allow us to get past the dog eat dog aspect of society. It may be possible to balance it out, but we ignore it at our peril.

Human nature demands that if everyone is to share, everyone must also put in an effort proportional to their share. In practice, how that effort is judged varies far to much for any "set of rules" to actually function.

[texdav]

Originally Posted by go-getta-J

Social security is the most successful anti-poverty basic income program for the elderly since its inception....on what basis other than your own irrational biases against the poor and vulnerable would extending it to everyone else not work?

Irony how you dismiss my proposal as "window dressing" and then go about proposing utterly ridiculous "breeding licenses" as the solution. Sorry buddy but I don't think government should be in the eugenics business, we all know how badly that played out in Germany 70 years ago. Go see the massive failure of China's one child policy if you're still not convinced.

but you fail to realize what the program really is and that welfare programs are quite different from SS. It is extended to all that care to contribute .remember its a stand alone program not general revenue program. For decades it provide cheap money to politician to spent on other things. As a private program it would be illegal and people running it would be put in jail just as Madoff was.

[Boxcar Overkill]

Originally Posted by prosopis

The flaw in this reasoning is the assumption that an automated labor society requires no effort from anyone. If you assume that no effort is required, then you logically conclude that all benefits can be shared equally.

But it does require effort to build and maintain a society of automated labor - the effort is just not the same as that required by a manual labor society.

Those who make the effort will always feel entitled to a greater reward than those who do not. Those who make the effort will always view with suspicion the suggestion of sharing the benefits of their effort out of fairness. They do not see it as logical and they do not see it as fair. Logical and fair to them is "if you want the benefits you make the effort".

I'm okay with giving them a bigger share.

I'm ready to become a welfare queen, (or king as the case may be) if I only knew where to sign up.

[Teckeeee]

Originally Posted by Boxcar Overkill

I'm okay with giving them a bigger share.

I'm ready to become a welfare queen, (or king as the case may be) if I only knew where to sign up.

It's like anything in life .................it's all about "networking" if you were part of the extended social circle they would tell you the insider tips on how to scheme for max gain.

I had to go one of the poorest city in OC recently and guess what................I saw the shiniest new cars and trucks driving by social services and the food bank loading up like it's going out of style.