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Old 03-13-2014, 02:10 PM
 
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Oh my God have you spent much time in Asia? I've seen parts of India that wouldn't even qualify for 3rd world status, they need a new definition - 6th world or 10th world.
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Old 03-13-2014, 02:55 PM
 
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Oh my God have you spent much time in Asia? I've seen parts of India that wouldn't even qualify for 3rd world status, they need a new definition - 6th world or 10th world.
Although many countries in Africa makes India look stellar in comparison, its pretty bad for the lowest of the low there. The lowest in cities literally live on dump sites. And those dump sites are many times worse when compared to the worst ones in the USA.

They make a living off of literally scavenging through decaying trash, waste, feces, animal remains etc. to find ANYTHING they can sell to make enough money to have just one meal for the day.

They are considered lucky if they even have one latrine type facility to use when reliving themselves. Usually that one is shared by hundreds of others daily. Water comes from municipal water supplies that is illegally tapped into by the local criminal organization. They bribe the police and local officials to look the other way. Then they sell this free water to the poorest of the poor and take what little money they have. But they have no choice, unless they want to die of starvation, this is their only option.

Many times these water lines are the oldest, least maintained ones. The pipes run through raw sewage and are compromised to where raw sewage seeps into the water. The amount is minute enough to not be detectable by taste but its enough to spread deadly diseases. Sadly, many infants are lost this way because even when parents see that the infant is dying, they are too poor to afford to see a physician. They just helplessly watch as their baby passes away in front of their eyes.

They live in squalor, shantytowns made of cheap tin is their roof and walls. Water leaks in when it rains, there is no protection from the elements in the winter nor summer. Many older adults, the sick and the young die in the winter because they are too poor to afford a blanket. The space that a family of 4 live in may be no more then a big walk in closet in the USA.

Sadly most people in 1st world countries have absolutely no idea that this is what real poverty looks like. The homeless in the USA would be considered to be "lucky privileged people" if they were looked at though the eyes of the poor in Asian and African countries.
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Old 03-13-2014, 03:03 PM
 
Location: Birmingham, Alabama
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Everything is relative. Our poor here in America have it pretty bad. The worst thing you can have in America is a criminal record, limiting where you can work and where you can thus live. Society looks down on those people, rightfully or wrongfully.

In those nations you mention, there is no formal, widespread education system, particularly in rural areas.
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Old 03-13-2014, 03:04 PM
 
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The only country in that part of the world I've ever been to was Indonesia, and that is one slummy hellhole, excluding parts of Jakarta which are pretty awesome.
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Old 03-13-2014, 03:33 PM
 
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Everything is relative. Our poor here in America have it pretty bad.
Your just trolling right?? Because if your serious, its this type of irrational nonsensical thinking that makes people feel good about looking the other way when other people are in misery. Yeah lets not help or feel sorry anyone because its all relative. By your definition of "relative" we should feel just as sorry for the children David Siegel who had to fly FIRST CLASS for the first time in their life instead of a private jet because their daddy lost some of his money in '08 as we should for a family that gets evicted into the street's because they can't pay rent.

Yeah because "relative" to where the Siegel's children were at that's a "huge" drop, those poor poor children. I feel like crying because they had to fly with lesser rich people then themselves in first class.
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Old 03-13-2014, 04:48 PM
 
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Hasn't Suze Orman been working with them on finances?
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Old 03-13-2014, 06:41 PM
 
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Hasn't Suze Orman been working with them on finances?
Not sure but Siegel has stated that his fortunes have rebounded since '08. He even plans on continuing construction of his mega mansion which was all but abandoned after the recession.
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Old 03-13-2014, 06:53 PM
 
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Although many countries in Africa makes India look stellar in comparison, its pretty bad for the lowest of the low there. The lowest in cities literally live on dump sites. And those dump sites are many times worse when compared to the worst ones in the USA.

They make a living off of literally scavenging through decaying trash, waste, feces, animal remains etc. to find ANYTHING they can sell to make enough money to have just one meal for the day.

They are considered lucky if they even have one latrine type facility to use when reliving themselves. Usually that one is shared by hundreds of others daily. Water comes from municipal water supplies that is illegally tapped into by the local criminal organization. They bribe the police and local officials to look the other way. Then they sell this free water to the poorest of the poor and take what little money they have. But they have no choice, unless they want to die of starvation, this is their only option.

Many times these water lines are the oldest, least maintained ones. The pipes run through raw sewage and are compromised to where raw sewage seeps into the water. The amount is minute enough to not be detectable by taste but its enough to spread deadly diseases. Sadly, many infants are lost this way because even when parents see that the infant is dying, they are too poor to afford to see a physician. They just helplessly watch as their baby passes away in front of their eyes.

They live in squalor, shantytowns made of cheap tin is their roof and walls. Water leaks in when it rains, there is no protection from the elements in the winter nor summer. Many older adults, the sick and the young die in the winter because they are too poor to afford a blanket. The space that a family of 4 live in may be no more then a big walk in closet in the USA.

Sadly most people in 1st world countries have absolutely no idea that this is what real poverty looks like. The homeless in the USA would be considered to be "lucky privileged people" if they were looked at though the eyes of the poor in Asian and African countries.
What surprises me is how several points you made, which I copied and separated with commas were a deja vu of what I read about the slums in Manila: live on dump sites, make a living off of literally scavenging through decaying trash, Water comes from municipal water supplies that is illegally tapped, shantytowns made of cheap tin is their roof and walls. Googling the search terms correctly with Manila or Philippines will turn this up in results.

The topics of hose 3 segments I have come across so many times so they seemed so familiar from my readings on Manila. The dump site especially relates to the region of Tondo, Manila. In a country like the Phils, this should not be the case, but it is despite the GDP. Unlike Africa and other regions' nations, the Phils has a comparatively high GDP, but because of a severe inequality-overpopulation-natural disaster combination issue, the Philippines actually has slums representing the worst living conditions on the planet. Slums in the Phils consist of thousands of shanty shacks built of scrap metal and anything else and crowded into areas of what are considered "dangerous" and "unsanitary" conditions. They are exposed to typhoons, flooding, fires wiping out all belongings, and also have diseases. This is probably worse than what millions of Africa have to deal with. The slum population of the country, over 22 million is equivalent to most of the population of Canada. The Phils is in the top countries for most vulnerable to climate change, much due to low capacity, competing with the worst-off African nations in the top 10, a competition that sucks to be winning at.
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Old 03-13-2014, 09:21 PM
 
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Everything is relative. Our poor here in America have it pretty bad.
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Your just trolling right?? Because if your serious, its this type of irrational nonsensical thinking that makes people feel good about looking the other way when other people are in misery.
Yes, that had to be trolling. America's poor look like whereas poor people in other parts of the world look like .

The poor in America are more likely to be lazy slobs that have gotten fat from eating SNAP food while watching TV all day in their Section 8 home than starving to death.
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Old 03-14-2014, 03:33 AM
 
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The only country in that part of the world I've ever been to was Indonesia, and that is one slummy hellhole, excluding parts of Jakarta which are pretty awesome.
Actually, I like Indonesia, the worst parts are the slums in Jakarta. Granted, Jakarta gets most of the money and has a ritzy city center, but its slums are the worst in Indonesia. Did you not see the garbage village? In Jakarta? People live there as scavengers, and pick through the garbage that comes from the hotels, hospitals, houses, and businesses in the city. They sell what they can for recycling, and live in a pretty poor state. By comparison the people in the countryside may be poor, but most kampungs consider farmland to be for all the village, and they use the land all throughout and around the village to grow food. Villagers share with each other, and they take care of their less fortunate. It is actually much more civilized, in a way, than the more modern city way.
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