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Old 05-10-2014, 09:45 PM
 
Location: NJ
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And so if a Corporation moves operations overseas that is non-union would you label these workers overpaid too?
If the ex workers got their last payrate again, w/o delay, that demonstrates they were not overpaid. If they cannot do that, and labor costs were the reason to relo, the Free Market proved they were overpaid. That holds true, union or non-union,btw.
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Old 05-10-2014, 10:54 PM
 
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In this day and age, with such a competitive economy, unions have no function. The job market should be "open market", those with the best skills/education get the best jobs, those without, don't. Remove the "middlemen" (unions).

Many jobs function great without them.
Another thing is that unionized workplaces do not innovate as much. They do not fit in the competitive global economy.

In addition unions make it less flexible to hire the best regardless of their country of origin.
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Old 05-10-2014, 11:14 PM
 
Location: Cold Springs, NV
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Another thing is that unionized workplaces do not innovate as much. They do not fit in the competitive global economy.

In addition unions make it less flexible to hire the best regardless of their country of origin.
More misinformation, because unions are the trend setters embracing new technology and embracing it. Only the best educated and performers survive, and the lazy go work non union. Training trusts are constantly seeking out new trends, and updating member skills while non union follows with a lesser qualified workforce. Most of you unknowingly trust your lives daily to unionized skilled labor whether it be on a road, hospital, or place of employment.
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Old 05-10-2014, 11:27 PM
 
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More misinformation, because unions are the trend setters embracing new technology and embracing it. Only the best educated and performers survive, and the lazy go work non union. Training trusts are constantly seeking out new trends, and updating member skills while non union follows with a lesser qualified workforce. Most of you unknowingly trust your lives daily to unionized skilled labor whether it be on a road, hospital, or place of employment.
Unionization is just not going to be the direction of the economy whether it's the democrats or the republicans.
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Old 05-10-2014, 11:42 PM
 
Location: Cold Springs, NV
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Unionization is just not going to be the direction of the economy whether it's the democrats or the republicans.
The 1% media is doing a great job of spreading misinformation, but unrest of the working class is growing. People died for the right to bargain collectively, and they will continue to exercise these rights even against the powerful anti working class war chest of money. We are already experiencing a shortage of trained people that will only help the union movement. Unions fought for the labor laws that people benefit from today. If going back to the 16 hour day living in company housing is your idea of utopia that is your right. You may want to study the American struggle of the late 1800's into the 20th century to educate yourself. Look around the globe at countries with high qualities of life. Guess what, Unions.
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Old 05-10-2014, 11:48 PM
 
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Unionization is just not going to be the direction of the economy whether it's the democrats or the republicans.
This has been, and remains, a decades long trend.
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Old 05-11-2014, 12:11 AM
 
Location: Cold Springs, NV
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This has been, and remains, a decades long trend.
And how is less for working class Americans a good thing? This makes no sense at all that somehow less is better.
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Old 05-11-2014, 12:16 AM
 
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And how is less for working class Americans a good thing? This makes no sense at all that somehow less is better.
We have evolved to a largely brain based economy. Unions failed to evolve. Those that fail to evolve naturally lose vitality.
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Old 05-11-2014, 01:31 AM
 
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We have evolved to a largely brain based economy. Unions failed to evolve. Those that fail to evolve naturally lose vitality.
You are incorrect again. We have computer training classes, and have updated training on all newer equipment. Your broad generalizations have failed to answer the question of why less wages is better? Why do you avoid this?
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Old 05-11-2014, 01:45 AM
 
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You are incorrect again. We have computer training classes, and have updated training on all newer equipment. Your broad generalizations have failed to answer the question of why less wages is better? Why do you avoid this?
Less than what..all of the closed D3/UAW plants. The UAW has gotten so small it resorted to union drives at casinos. It shrank, even than, by 1.1 million members.

The microcosm of unions, the UAW, is now a big "so what".
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