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Old 12-27-2019, 03:45 AM
 
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You were the one arguing that the US had issues because of too few unions, now you talk of busting them up. LoL

Locally, the issue is the political influence, often by unions, that rig some of the systems, salaries and pensions. Line items are nice but won't fix this issue with politicians that are involved in the schemes. They are often more interested in money and reelection than what is best for residents - they tend to push the issue down the road as far as funding pensions.

One of the worst was the city of Bell, CA; a small suburb of LA - At a little under 3 sq miles and about 38K residents, mostly poor Hispanic. The city council paid their city manager over $1M/yr and was scheduled to increase to over $1.5M and was due for a pension of $1M until it was uncovered.

Federal pay and pensions are capped.
You have never studied control systems engineering I take it, these issues are not all or nothing. They are extremely delicate processes just like a nuclear plant.

You cant have a greedy fat hog laying a bunch of people off just to save a few percent on his stock prices and let society deal with the rampant unemployment while calling any taxation on his profits "theft"

You also cant have some petty functionary making 200k a year while the elected officials just have to sit there and take it. If an elected official does something shady thats OUR fault, we elected them. But if a buracrat can snub their noses at an elected official and that official cant line item them out and then that official can lay off crtical personel and run a smear campain thats a serious problem.

See the difference. At least if an elected official does it we have only ourselves to blame but if an entrenced union bureocrate can run the show without any accountability thats a very serious problem and ends up just costing home owners big time.
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One of the worst was the city of Bell, CA; a small suburb of LA - At a little under 3 sq miles and about 38K residents, mostly poor Hispanic. The city council paid their city manager over $1M/yr and was scheduled to increase to over $1.5M and was due for a pension of $1M until it was uncovered.
Bell was just the tip of the iceberg in Los Angeles County. Many municipalities in California (and elsewhere) will be going belly up and "pensions" will go poof in the coming recession.
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