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Old 07-06-2014, 08:32 PM
 
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Isn't the stock market horribly overvalued? If you disagree, what are the fundamentals that are holding it up?
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Old 07-06-2014, 08:58 PM
 
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What fundamentals do you believe show the market is horribly overvalued?
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Old 07-07-2014, 01:04 AM
 
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Isn't the stock market horribly overvalued? If you disagree, what are the fundamentals that are holding it up?
No, not horribly, but somewhat. The analysts at Morningstar.com think the stocks they cover (about 1700) are about 5% overvalued in aggregate.

Market Fair Value by Sector, Industry, Super-Sector, Index | Morningstar
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Old 07-07-2014, 01:10 AM
 
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In times like these, one of the considerations is what are the alternatives? China? Japan? Europe? Passbook savings? CD's? Treasuries?

And if things change, you know the smart money will already have exited and gone to someplace that looks better, leaving a lot of suckers behind.

So "overvalued" is a relative term. The real question is "overvalued compared to what"?
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Old 07-07-2014, 03:08 AM
 
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no it is it is not horribly valued. especiall;y when you think about the fact we are only just about where we were 14 years ago on an inflation adjusted basis only profits and interest rates are worlds apart now. profits have soared and rates are lower making tstocks a far better value today.

if anything they are fairly valued.
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Old 07-07-2014, 08:27 AM
 
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Overvalued compared to what? You need a comparison value to say it's overvalued.

Everyone has their own opinion of what a fair/expected/average value. Each of the talking heads loves to spout their views, and then the complete opposite pretty soon afterwards. Except for the doomers that think the economy is going down every minute of every day.

The market is a leading indicator, and the rest of the economy is still catching up.
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Old 07-07-2014, 10:19 AM
 
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no it is it is not horribly valued. especiall;y when you think about the fact we are only just about where we were 14 years ago on an inflation adjusted basis only profits and interest rates are worlds apart now. profits have soared and rates are lower making tstocks a far better value today.

if anything they are fairly valued.
But that was the year 2000, at the peak of the dot com bubble, when the markets really were over valued. According to the Shiller PE ratio, it is getting pretty high.
http://www.multpl.com/shiller-pe/
The mean value over a century or more is 16.55. Right now it's over 26.
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Old 07-07-2014, 12:06 PM
 
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exactly the point. we were over valued then especially based on interest rates.

not the case today.
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Old 07-08-2014, 04:13 PM
 
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Isn't the stock market horribly overvalued? If you disagree, what are the fundamentals that are holding it up?
Your statement says that the stock market is under valued. Try not to use double negatives in your sentences in the future. It won't be detrimental to your point. Similarly, it will be helpful to your point.
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Old 07-08-2014, 05:22 PM
 
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Default There are 2 kinds of investors: clueless or colluder

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In times like these, one of the considerations is what are the alternatives? China? Japan? Europe? Passbook savings? CD's? Treasuries?...So "overvalued" is a relative term. The real question is "overvalued compared to what"?
The cleanest dirty shirt doesn't fly IMHO. IOW, just because EVERYTHING ELSE has been deliberately trashed/poisoned, doesn't make stocks/companies fairly valued/profitable.


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But that was the year 2000, at the peak of the dot com bubble, when the markets really were over valued. According to the Shiller PE ratio, it is getting pretty high.
Shiller PE Ratio

The mean value over a century or more is 16.55. Right now it's over 26.
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exactly the point. we were over valued then especially based on interest rates.
not the case today.
I can't believe you spew out this delusional bullsh*t with a straight face mathjak107. You know interest rates were too low back then; that's how 'the market' was able to accomplish being FLAT since 2000!

The FED/USGovt/virtual taxpayer sees the forest for the trees: the digital welfare is exponentially costing way too much to society @ large.
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