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Old 08-09-2014, 05:51 PM
 
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If capitalism rewards successful efforts,

This is hypothetical,

But suppose I and nobody else discovered a piece of land with gold more than 50 times the supply already known to exist on earth.

So now I would have about 98% of all the world's gold and all new gold. I wouldn't get rewarded for that gold, correct?

If I gave it to everybody the price of gold would plummet because the number of sellers would quickly outpace the number of buyers and the sellers would have to drop their prices...

If I kept all this gold it would be no different....my first gold mine would sell high but my last gold mine would no sell for nearly as much or perhaps close to 0

So how would I be rewarded for finding this rare gold if this were a true story?
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Old 08-09-2014, 05:56 PM
 
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And with this said, one solution might be to mask how much gold I have and actually sell it very slowly, over a long duration in small amounts, correct?

But if this is the solution, then how does this socially benefit others when the supply is readily available and financially I am better off hoarding it than rapidly selling it?

Wasn't the 1970s hoax oil shortage related to the exercise of this trick used by big oil to maximize oil profit? A result being instead of that society being more productive due to invisible hand, the people were wasting hours of time in gas lines fooled to believe gasoline was in shortage

Isn't this a fundamental flaw in capitalism? Or not ?
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Old 08-09-2014, 06:02 PM
 
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And there have been historic flawed dilemmas. Namely the industrial revolution. A worker in a printing press discovers a machine that is more durable and now the machine hours replace labor hours. The worker knew how to reinvent printing due to his own hard work but once the guy's idea for the new machine catches on,

His original invention becomes not the one that takes off in the market

Instead, his machine doesn't sell Eventhough it made the footprint for the person whose machine did replace the manual labor. So this guy winds up shooting himself in the foot...losing his job

And ultimately the machines get cheaper as they themselves can be produced more and more efficiently due to technological advances

Instead he reduces his earning capacity
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Old 08-09-2014, 06:05 PM
 
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See pure capitalism fails
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Old 08-09-2014, 07:09 PM
 
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And with this said, one solution might be to mask how much gold I have and actually sell it very slowly, over a long duration in small amounts, correct?

But if this is the solution, then how does this socially benefit others when the supply is readily available and financially I am better off hoarding it than rapidly selling it?

Wasn't the 1970s hoax oil shortage related to the exercise of this trick used by big oil to maximize oil profit? A result being instead of that society being more productive due to invisible hand, the people were wasting hours of time in gas lines fooled to believe gasoline was in shortage

Isn't this a fundamental flaw in capitalism? Or not ?
Capitalism doesn't consider social benefits as its sole goal. Social benefits may derive from capitalist practice as a byproduct. If you want a system that's about social benefits, you should look at socialism, which failed in many countries.

Capitalism isn't a perfect system nor does it even claim that. Its flaws are plenty and have been thoroughly analyzed. Such an understanding was originally the foundation of communism and communist revolutions. And that was 100 years. There is nothing new about the criticism of capitalism.
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Old 08-09-2014, 08:56 PM
 
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And there have been historic flawed dilemmas. Namely the industrial revolution. A worker in a printing press discovers a machine that is more durable and now the machine hours replace labor hours. The worker knew how to reinvent printing due to his own hard work but once the guy's idea for the new machine catches on,

His original invention becomes not the one that takes off in the market

Instead, his machine doesn't sell Eventhough it made the footprint for the person whose machine did replace the manual labor. So this guy winds up shooting himself in the foot...losing his job

And ultimately the machines get cheaper as they themselves can be produced more and more efficiently due to technological advances

Instead he reduces his earning capacity
What you presented were cases where the people didn't know how to capitalize on a skill, a discovery, or an invention.

Companies hold off features and make more product versions so that they sell more. Researchers split one paper into two papers so that they get more publications. It's about how you strategically gain a position in a favor of your interests. If you discovered the gold mine, you should reward your own efforts. You may well hold off and sell little by little.
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Old 08-10-2014, 06:29 AM
 
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If capitalism rewards successful efforts,

This is hypothetical,

But suppose I and nobody else discovered a piece of land with gold more than 50 times the supply already known to exist on earth.

So now I would have about 98% of all the world's gold and all new gold. I wouldn't get rewarded for that gold, correct?

If I gave it to everybody the price of gold would plummet because the number of sellers would quickly outpace the number of buyers and the sellers would have to drop their prices...

If I kept all this gold it would be no different....my first gold mine would sell high but my last gold mine would no sell for nearly as much or perhaps close to 0

So how would I be rewarded for finding this rare gold if this were a true story?
Any economic system will have issues if you push it to extremes using thought experiments. This shouldn't come as a surprise.
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Old 08-10-2014, 05:03 PM
 
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Hoarding to keep prices up, despite the lack of benefit to society is already being used not only by oil companies, but in the diamond market. Part of capitalism is supply and demand, and managing that is key to financial success for those selling. When it comes to gold, government regulation would probably end up with your supply being confiscated, as has happened in the past.


How They Gained Monopoly Power: De Beers Diamond Empire
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Old 08-10-2014, 08:39 PM
 
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See pure capitalism fails
What you describe fails, but what you describe is nothing to do with capitalism - it is merely an unrealistic set of hypothetical conditions which you have invented specifically to fail.
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Old 08-10-2014, 11:20 PM
 
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If capitalism rewards successful efforts,

This is hypothetical,

But suppose I and nobody else discovered a piece of land with gold more than 50 times the supply already known to exist on earth.

So now I would have about 98% of all the world's gold and all new gold. I wouldn't get rewarded for that gold, correct?

If I gave it to everybody the price of gold would plummet because the number of sellers would quickly outpace the number of buyers and the sellers would have to drop their prices...

If I kept all this gold it would be no different....my first gold mine would sell high but my last gold mine would no sell for nearly as much or perhaps close to 0

So how would I be rewarded for finding this rare gold if this were a true story?
Short gold. Think about going long on copper.
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