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Old 10-05-2014, 10:56 AM
 
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Tax payers pay for everything in the end. But some take more than they give back intentionally by not working as a choice.
Our National Debt will never be paid to zero. So there are things that even the taxpayers never pay for.
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Old 10-05-2014, 01:17 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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most likely no , a long living healthy population may just tax resources like social security ,medicare welfare etc beyond their already strained walls.

as it is social security never imagined we would all live even as long as we do.
I'm sorry but that is ridiculously ignorant. The solution is to reform entitlements and welfare to reflect changing demographics and labor markets.
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Old 10-05-2014, 01:20 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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Tax payers pay for everything in the end. But some take more than they give back intentionally by not working as a choice.
Yawn.... There are parasites on both end of the spectrum.

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Old 10-05-2014, 01:52 PM
 
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I'm sorry but that is ridiculously ignorant. The solution is to reform entitlements and welfare to reflect changing demographics and labor markets.
When i see those reforms you dream of i will change my opinion. Until then opinion stands
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Old 10-05-2014, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Atlantis
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If 'insurance' is so important and the reason why the ACA became a law. . . . .

The same argument could be made for life insurance. The government will eventually orchestrate the same kind of scheme to make sure everyone has between $500,000 to $1,000,000 in life insurance as a right.
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Old 10-05-2014, 02:22 PM
 
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I can see some means tested insurance one day.

After all folks bang out kid after kid with no thought of who will provide for those kids if the bread winner dies. Then we all have to pay to support those kids while we were responsible and didn't have more kids then we knew we could provide for.

But that is another topic
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Old 10-05-2014, 03:02 PM
 
Location: Tucson for awhile longer
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This is my main gripe with the ACA. What's the point of having health insurance if your deductible is so high that you never get to use it?
First of all, the ACA allows for a choice of deductibles based on what plan you choose, as insurance always did. But in any case, your gripe should not be with the ACA or government in general, except the fact that the governments we have had for decades roll out the red carpet for insurance companies to make humungous profits off sick Americans. The entire concept of how we insure Americans is wrong. Your problem is not the fault of individual plans.
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Old 10-05-2014, 03:08 PM
 
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This is my main gripe with the ACA. What's the point of having health insurance if your deductible is so high that you never get to use it?
Also, the plan covers preventative screenings (annual exam, mammograms, colonoscopies, blood work, gyno) at 100%, which is the vast majority of health care coverage my family uses.
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Old 10-05-2014, 03:08 PM
 
Location: WA
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Our National Debt will never be paid to zero. So there are things that even the taxpayers never pay for.
I would think that the payment comes in the form of deflated currency, reduced benefits and services (future mostly), and decreased financial security, so some do pay.
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Old 10-05-2014, 03:27 PM
 
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I am beyond grateful for the Affordable Care Act and I believe in days to come the word "Obamacare" will be spoken with respect instead of scorn. It has given me the best health insurance I've had in my post-corporate days for a price I can afford.
Most European countries and Canada have universal health care and lower medical costs too.
Obamacare today is like Social Security was when it was first started, back then no one in their teens and 20s and 30s wanted their wages garnished to pay for some silly forced retirement plan and no doubt there were many angry objectors and problems, but eventually it became the norm. Now when those people retired and started getting monthly checks based on what they put in I'll bet they changed their tune pretty fast!

Imagine what it would be like today for all those millions of retired people in Florida who collect SS checks every month if SS had never been in place, if it hadn't they would have had to keep working if they could, or do what the elderly used to do in the old days- die in the streets when they got evicted, or move in with their kids.
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