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Old 10-08-2014, 06:40 PM
 
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Originally Posted by garvan View Post
the 40 million were uninsured for a reason. No good job, pre-existing conditions, etc. So you can figure on them hitting wthe health care system for at least 10k per year, each (average) cause millions of them will hit it for 100k+ per year, for many years. 400 milion $ a year, minimum, on top of their stupid, worthless military/spy set up, foreign aid, etc.
We didnt have 40 million uninsured, we had 30 million.. The original quote of 40 million by Obama included illegals which of course are still uninsured and not counted.

Many who have sucky ass jobs, did have insurance. Wal Mart just announced they will cut insurance for 30,000 employees, and they arent the first, and they arent the last.. Lots of companies are kicking their insurance plans and deciding to leave their employees uninsured a casulty of ACA.

Started with 30 million uninsured, this climbed to 46 million as policies were cancelled, and we are back down to 41 million due to primarily medicaid expansion.

You dont like those numbers, just wait, the employer mandate was delayed until after the November election, you'll see all sorts of stories about companies cutting policies soon just like we did last year before they delayed the mandate.
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Old 10-08-2014, 06:43 PM
 
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Lol. Yes, hammer a program that is working for most Americans. I would love to see how they spin that.

Go back and read the actual responses in this thread and leave your emotions and biases out of it.
We went from 30 million uninsured, to 41 million, and Utopia thinks its working..

YOU are the one who needs to read the thread and leave your emotions out of it.

yes there are many who benefited, but at great cost to others, and many of those who did benefit, simply were those added to medicaid. ignoring this is retarded.
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Old 10-08-2014, 09:31 PM
 
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quoting obama isnt a good way to back up arguments.


you can keep your plan...............lol.
you can keep your docter............lol.
your premiums going down 2500$...lol.


WAKE up-its not about health care.
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Old 10-09-2014, 04:56 AM
 
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yes uninsurance rate fell in April 2014 due to INCREASED welfare..

Its YOU cherry picking stats.. Why start your cherry picking when you did? Oh thats right because you started at the high point to make them look good while completely ignoring the millions that lost policies.
Just provide one piece of info: a credible source that proves that millions lost their insurance. You stated a number of "30 million uninsured before Obamacare that rose to 47 million", prove it with facts!

If 17 million lost their insurance due to AHC it would be on Fox News 24 hours a day. Yet, not a single hit on Google.

The part in red remains unproven and unsourced as well.

You lost all your credibility when you claimed to have sued 36 businesses into bankruptcy. Took it a little too far with that one. Seems you have a knack for fabricating stories.


The GOP claim that more Americans have lost insurance than gained it under Obamacare - The Washington Post
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Old 10-09-2014, 04:59 AM
 
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Gee, given how much of it was *postponed*, or even in a few places *rescinded*, by executive order, maybe you should rethink your timeline.
That part about "6 years ago" was in reference to the economy in general. I could have been more clear.
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Old 10-09-2014, 05:01 AM
 
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yes but if you had 1 child and then added a 2nd child, the rate doesnt change.. A family plan is a family plan..
You said adding children resulted in no additional premiums, not that "adding 2 children" resulted in no additional premiums. In any case the insurers are doing great by all accounts as a result of new policies, so your point is moot.
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Old 10-09-2014, 05:02 AM
 
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We didnt have 40 million uninsured, we had 30 million...
Provide proof of this claim!
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Old 10-09-2014, 05:04 AM
 
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...but at great cost to others...
Provide proof of this statement!
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Old 10-09-2014, 06:00 AM
 
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Just provide one piece of info: a credible source that proves that millions lost their insurance. You stated a number of "30 million uninsured before Obamacare that rose to 47 million", prove it with facts!
Obama ran around the country telling everyone that we had to pass ACA because we had 30 million uninsured americans, and that EVERY american needed insurance. He first started proclaiming that the beginning point was 46 million but that INCLUDED illegals which dont count.

It then climbed before it falls to 41 million
The uninsured rate falls 1.4%, but 41 million remain uninsured: Has Obamacare worked? | Debate.org
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If 17 million lost their insurance due to AHC it would be on Fox News 24 hours a day. Yet, not a single hit on Google.
What is on the news is about how the number of people LOST insurance, and then the number of people joined on MEDICAID

if you arent listening to the news, thats your problem
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The part in red remains unproven and unsourced as well.

You lost all your credibility when you claimed to have sued 36 businesses into bankruptcy. Took it a little too far with that one. Seems you have a knack for fabricating stories.
Actually what i said was I sued businesses and 36 businesses ended up going bankrupt.. I didnt say I sued all 36 of them.
The number uninsured will NEVER go below 30 million
http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2013/02/22/government-study-finds-obama-care-leaves-thirty-million-uninsured/

For a plan that was supposed to cover EVERY american, it falls very short, and people like you celebrate it as a success
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Old 10-09-2014, 06:03 AM
 
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You said adding children resulted in no additional premiums, not that "adding 2 children" resulted in no additional premiums.
I said adding children to a family plan, not swinging from an individual plan to a family plan.
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In any case the insurers are doing great by all accounts as a result of new policies, so your point is moot.
Yes, because ACA guarantees participating insurance companies a 3% profit at the taxpayers expense, while you cheer the rich getting richer..
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