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Old 10-31-2014, 02:26 PM
 
Location: San Jose
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Life's tough. Suck it up.
Actually, I think that's the wrong response. The correct response is: if you don't like your current situation, change it! If you want to get in the top 10%, you have to work for it! Start your own company, invent something. Get a job that actually pays well (may require you to obtain additional skills). Whatever you do, don't wallow in your misery, envying others.
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Old 10-31-2014, 10:46 PM
 
Location: South Carolina
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Actually, I think that's the wrong response. The correct response is: if you don't like your current situation, change it! If you want to get in the top 10%, you have to work for it! Start your own company, invent something. Get a job that actually pays well (may require you to obtain additional skills). Whatever you do, don't wallow in your misery, envying others.

The Just World Fallacy people are hilarious the only solution they can come up with is work harder and if you do not make it is all your fault. They continue to fail to acknowledge things like intelligence, having a stable home, luck factor in success but they do not want to hear that because they want to believe they got where they are all by themselves and if they made it darn gosh anyone can. So was it slaves fault that they were in slavery they should have worked harder and they would not longer be slaves or was it the Jews fault they went to concentration camps? We continue to see there failed logic they keep presenting no matter what facts are presented to them. They fail to see anything but their narrow minded views that hard work equals success.
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Old 11-01-2014, 02:53 AM
 
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hard work does not equal success, all hard work does is make you tired.

creativity, going where the food is and surrounding yourself with successful people is the key. adding some volatility and carefully calculated risk can make you successful as well.

most folks float like a cork in water with no control in their life to where they go and what they do. successful people make things happen and don't float.
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Old 11-01-2014, 07:28 AM
 
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hard work does not equal success, all hard work does is make you tired.

creativity, going where the food is and surrounding yourself with successful people is the key. adding some volatility and carefully calculated risk can make you successful as well.

most folks float like a cork in water with no control in their life to where they go and what they do. successful people make things happen and don't float.
I will agree it is a combination.

I was told after I got my "boob job" I would not sink......I would float right to the top......

Last edited by Driller1; 11-01-2014 at 08:53 AM..
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Old 11-01-2014, 08:35 AM
 
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hard work does not equal success, all hard work does is make you tired.

creativity, going where the food is and surrounding yourself with successful people is the key. adding some volatility and carefully calculated risk can make you successful as well.

most folks float like a cork in water with no control in their life to where they go and what they do. successful people make things happen and don't float.
Have to completely disagree with the bold part. That's not ALL hard work does. If you combine hard work with what you described in your second paragraph, it will exponentially increase your odds at being successful. Furthermore, in addition to what you described in your second paragraph; discipline, using logical thinking (over emotional thinking), intelligence, ability to effectively research, common sense, wisdom, good luck and having the ability to make realistic long term plans also play a crucial role in determining who the have's and have not's are.
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Old 11-01-2014, 08:38 AM
 
Location: Central CT, sometimes FL and NH.
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Zero. (Reading Is Fundamental) Read the link:

50 Percent Of American Workers Make Less Than 28,031 Dollars A Year

The Social Security Administration has just released wage statistics for 2013, and the numbers are startling. Last year, 50 percent of all American workers made less than $28,031, and 39 percent of all American workers made less than $20,000.
This is unsustainable. You can't have that number of people at such low wages without creating an unhealthy two-tier, largely segregated, society. Eventually, you price the majority people out of the market except for all but the cheapest products and services.
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Old 11-01-2014, 08:38 AM
 
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Have to completely disagree with the bold part. That's not ALL hard work does. If you combine hard work with what you described in your second paragraph, it will exponentially increase your odds at being successful. Furthermore, in addition to what you described in your second paragraph; discipline, using logical thinking (over emotional thinking), intelligence, ability to effectively research, common sense, wisdom, good luck and having the ability to make realistic long term plans also play a crucial role in determining who the have's and have not's are.
the idea is work smarter not harder.

in fact many of the hard work jobs at least physically are lower paying jobs.

it all depends what your definition of hard work is.
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Old 11-01-2014, 08:45 AM
 
Location: Paranoid State
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The Just World Fallacy people are hilarious the only solution they can come up with is work harder...

Emphasis added...

A solution implies there is a problem. What problem is it that you think needs solving?
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Old 11-01-2014, 08:53 AM
 
Location: Paranoid State
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This is unsustainable.
If you're right that it is unsustainable, there is nothing to worry about, because anything that can't be sustained in the long run, won't be.
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Old 11-01-2014, 09:00 AM
 
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This is unsustainable. You can't have that number of people at such low wages without creating an unhealthy two-tier, largely segregated, society. Eventually, you price the majority people out of the market except for all but the cheapest products and services.
The only thing that is unsustainable is the government's massive spending and entitlement programs

Wealthy people making truckloads of money are completely sustainable they earned their money in a free market

If the government and immigrants keep voting to steal money from the well to do they will simply leave or cease investing. This isn't free and therefore it is not sustainable.

Government control or wealth distribution scheme's will never work in the long run
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