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Originally Posted by Costaexpress
Why can't third world people come to America? We are and have always been a nation of immigrants. Immigration is our story of the American dream, the enterprise system, the flexibility, the abundance of labor to make things happen. Today we face skills shortage at the high skill level. Our public universities are not responding well to changes in the economy. we are a service economy. We rely so much on highly specialized tech industry. Yet our universities pretend as if we still live in the era of absolute American industrial dominance. One of the major reforms we have to do in this country is the higher education reform to make higher education more responsive to citizens needs including their financial struggles. We need to make higher education less expensive and put more people through college. We also need more high skill immigrant workers to fill the skills gap. We may not have labor shortage at the most skill level. However we have a low native birthrate. Therefore we need more immigrants at all levels to offset and balance our birthrate to a healthy level. The more people, the merrier.
If all 5 BILLION poor people in the world came to America tomorrow we'd no longer be rich and society would collapse. We already let in a huge percent of the entire world's total immigrant population
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NO! not at all. USA still has a lot going (most dominant in technology, efficient economy and government, plentiful natural resources, and younger population than most high income countries). the problem with USA is too much income inequality, lack of investment and maintenance in infrastructure, and decline in trade unions.
NO! not at all. USA still has a lot going (most dominant in technology, efficient economy and government, plentiful natural resources, and younger population than most high income countries). the problem with USA is too much income inequality, lack of investment and maintenance in infrastructure, and decline in trade unions.
IMO we are only seeing the tip of the iceberg when it comes to income inequality. We have become an advanced technological country, but many people do not have the skills needed in the future. In the past unions could help maintain high salaries for low skilled jobs. The unions killed the cow. Now low skilled manufacturing jobs have moved off shore or have largely been replace by automation. The low skilled worker needs to compete with low paid third world workers.
There are plenty of well paid jobs in science, technology, engineering and math. Unfortunately our public schools are really bad and do not prepare students for these jobs so we go to India as a source of labor. The divide between educated and uneducated workers and the income inequality is just starting to grow into a visible problem.
IMO we are only seeing the tip of the iceberg when it comes to income inequality. We have become an advanced technological country, but many people do not have the skills needed in the future. In the past unions could help maintain high salaries for low skilled jobs. The unions killed the cow. Now low skilled manufacturing jobs have moved off shore or have largely been replace by automation. The low skilled worker needs to compete with low paid third world workers.
There are plenty of well paid jobs in science, technology, engineering and math. Unfortunately our public schools are really bad and do not prepare students for these jobs so we go to India as a source of labor. The divide between educated and uneducated workers and the income inequality is just starting to grow into a visible problem.
I agree. Over the next decade and two, income gaps will grow into an "establishment level".
There are several issues:
1. Older workers will face long term unemployment and underemployment. Retirement crisis is in the cooking.
2. Today's young and middle aged workers will face age related issues when they grow older. I predict that we will have a large population of nothing to do miserable older adults who are bitter and angry.
3. Job Growth in stem will face offshoring and automation. Take big data for example, much can be done online. We are also increasing h1bs. It's only a matter of time before Silicon Valley workers are no longer special. In a way what happened to wages of Apple pickers is going to happen to wages of Apple coders.
4. The majority of the young generation will not be able to get the high paying stem jobs. Many will be stuck in low paying service jobs for a long time. Combined with student loans, their future is even more dismal than today's older workers who may have had a long career.
Supply and demand will solve the labor, STEM, work ethic, and crime problems plaguing the country. Innovators will hire Indians, Chinese, and other well trained foreigners to do the hard work of design and development, the manufacturing will all be done in Asia, and all the profits will flow to the innovators and their investors. The American people will enjoy the latest, greatest consumer products.
Of course, there won't be any jobs for the average American except for feeding the visiting Indians and Chinese, washing their laundry, cleaning their toilets, etc.
But if Americans really don't want to work hard, why should they feel entitled to decent high paying jobs?
I agree. Over the next decade and two, income gaps will grow into an "establishment level".
There are several issues:
1. Older workers will face long term unemployment and underemployment. Retirement crisis is in the cooking.
2. Today's young and middle aged workers will face age related issues when they grow older. I predict that we will have a large population of nothing to do miserable older adults who are bitter and angry.
3. Job Growth in stem will face offshoring and automation. Take big data for example, much can be done online. We are also increasing h1bs. It's only a matter of time before Silicon Valley workers are no longer special. In a way what happened to wages of Apple pickers is going to happen to wages of Apple coders.
4. The majority of the young generation will not be able to get the high paying stem jobs. Many will be stuck in low paying service jobs for a long time. Combined with student loans, their future is even more dismal than today's older workers who may have had a long career.
I disagree with almost every one of these statements.
1. At least for now, there is no crisis for older workers with employable skills. In fact unemployment in many professional/managerial and STEM occupations is very low, under 3%. How would you like to run a business and need to hire new employees from the absolute bottom of the labor pool? Sure there are some good employees available in that bottom 3% but not many. I have been retired for several years and have gotten many job offers, even "highly" paid jobs that I could do on a casual, part time basis.
2. Again, unemployment is very low in a large number of jobs. If us old timers are getting offers, then younger workers are getting even more. I hear the offers my 20 something daughter is getting and I am envious. It will not take long for her to be making my peak salary. She is not an exception and her vast army of personal and facebook friends also seem to be doing well. Even the young folk with "business" or sociology, or multi-disciplinary degrees are in demand. Sometimes that does mean picking up and moving to where the jobs are. Fewer and fewer college grads have remain stuck in low paid service jobs. Again, that even applies to those with soft funky degrees.
3. We have pretty much outsourced all of our light manufacturing. Spend some time in your local store and see if you can find anything made in the USA. Actually at this point some manufacturing is returning. Very low energy costs and automation have helped. The higher costs and higher standard of living in China are also factors. Many jobs just cannot be outsourced...or at least not successfully in a highly competitive environment. BTW, much of the software coding and high tech is being done in the US by foreigners or has already been outsourced. Neither are ideal but have been necessary due to the US labor shortages.
4. I have not seen a better time for high paying STEM jobs. Unemployment is extremely low and salaries are increasing. The US economy is starting to boom. If nothing else there are huge numbers of jobs for teachers in the STEM fields. Shortages are very acute almost everywhere in the US.
But if Americans really don't want to work hard, why should they feel entitled to decent high paying jobs?
So... those Americans that have degrees in the very STEM fields that Microsoft and Intel need... need so badly that they can lay off 18,000 Americans at a stroke, and then petition for increased H1B quota's. Those Americans who busted a gut to complete undergraduate and graduate courses in a variety of disciplines... "don't want to work hard". Hmmmm.
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