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Old 11-30-2014, 05:56 PM
 
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The good thing about the typical conspiracy theory is that it does not require any facts. And also no facts or evidence are ever sufficient to derail a good conspiracy theory.
No conspiracy theory

Inside OPEC room, Naimi declares price war on U.S. shale oil | Reuters
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Old 11-30-2014, 06:57 PM
 
Location: Myrtle Creek, Oregon
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OPEC is only half the story. US oil exploration is highly leveraged, conducted with borrowed money. The Arabs want to keep the US over a barrel.
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Old 11-30-2014, 07:03 PM
 
Location: The Mitten.
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"We consume more shell oil then any other country. Cheap shell oil is going to help small business..."

That's shale oil; not "Shell oil" !
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Old 11-30-2014, 07:14 PM
 
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The current low oil prices are part of an attempt by OPEC to drive prices below production costs of shale oil, and hopefully to bankrupt American oil producers. The American public, of course, is fat, dumb and happy to be getting cheap gas at the service station.
Oh no, you actually believe that don't you? That's just part of the programming Larry... you are being falsely led to believe that OPEC is somehow against and not in cahoots with the other oil producing nations/companies. How do I know this, because the signs are everywhere and the obviousness that if any military power wanted to invade and take the UAE's oil fields they would and could.

The truth is actually the following... everything is now corporate driven in this world of ours and the powers that be are definitely International and own the major Corporations. The Corporations in turn all now own each of the World's Governments. You are in turn owned by the Government of the country you live within. You are thus looked upon as nothing more than a commodity - a willing and programmable slave that produces for the powers that be.

You have been lied to since birth as though this is not the case, but with this lovely Information Age, the truth is available to you and others who read this post. The evidence is now publicly available to those with Internet access... look it up and you will wake up and see the truth. It's not us vs OPEC or even the US vs Russia or China... those are made up fallacies to distract you from the truth as stated above. The International Powers that Be don't give a crap about these things, they have it all, they have it all right now! So warfare is beneath them and just really inter-family squabbles. Thus stop worrying about OPEC as you have ZERO influence upon them or the price of oil wherever you are... doing so is just wasting your life-time. Screw them and focus upon things that matter right in front of you that you have control over. I'd recommend starting with researching the validity of my claims to help wake yourself and your friends and family up to the real reality all around you vs the programmed one having you think there is really an us vs them situation.
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Old 11-30-2014, 07:28 PM
 
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"We consume more shell oil then any other country. Cheap shell oil is going to help small business..."

That's shale oil; not "Shell oil" !
Damn. I thought oil could be pressed out of sea shells. I was about ready to invest.
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Old 11-30-2014, 07:31 PM
 
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Oh no, you actually believe that don't you? That's just part of the programming Larry... you are being falsely led to believe that OPEC is somehow against and not in cahoots with the other oil producing nations/companies. How do I know this, because the signs are everywhere and the obviousness that if any military power wanted to invade and take the UAE's oil fields they would and could.

The truth is actually the following... everything is now corporate driven in this world of ours and the powers that be are definitely International and own the major Corporations. The Corporations in turn all now own each of the World's Governments. You are in turn owned by the Government of the country you live within. You are thus looked upon as nothing more than a commodity - a willing and programmable slave that produces for the powers that be.

You have been lied to since birth as though this is not the case, but with this lovely Information Age, the truth is available to you and others who read this post. The evidence is now publicly available to those with Internet access... look it up and you will wake up and see the truth. It's not us vs OPEC or even the US vs Russia or China... those are made up fallacies to distract you from the truth as stated above. The International Powers that Be don't give a crap about these things, they have it all, they have it all right now! So warfare is beneath them and just really inter-family squabbles. Thus stop worrying about OPEC as you have ZERO influence upon them or the price of oil wherever you are... doing so is just wasting your life-time. Screw them and focus upon things that matter right in front of you that you have control over. I'd recommend starting with researching the validity of my claims to help wake yourself and your friends and family up to the real reality all around you vs the programmed one having you think there is really an us vs them situation.
And I thought almost no one had realized that only a few of the super elite are pulling all the strings and controlling all of the resources and world economies.
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Old 11-30-2014, 09:06 PM
 
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And I thought almost no one had realized that only a few of the super elite are pulling all the strings and controlling all of the resources and world economies.

One way or another that has always been the case throughout human history.
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Old 12-01-2014, 01:49 AM
 
Location: Striving for Avalon
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Oh no, you actually believe that don't you? That's just part of the programming Larry... you are being falsely led to believe that OPEC is somehow against and not in cahoots with the other oil producing nations/companies. How do I know this, because the signs are everywhere and the obviousness that if any military power wanted to invade and take the UAE's oil fields they would and could.

The truth is actually the following... everything is now corporate driven in this world of ours and the powers that be are definitely International and own the major Corporations. The Corporations in turn all now own each of the World's Governments. You are in turn owned by the Government of the country you live within. You are thus looked upon as nothing more than a commodity - a willing and programmable slave that produces for the powers that be.

You have been lied to since birth as though this is not the case, but with this lovely Information Age, the truth is available to you and others who read this post. The evidence is now publicly available to those with Internet access... look it up and you will wake up and see the truth. It's not us vs OPEC or even the US vs Russia or China... those are made up fallacies to distract you from the truth as stated above. The International Powers that Be don't give a crap about these things, they have it all, they have it all right now! So warfare is beneath them and just really inter-family squabbles. Thus stop worrying about OPEC as you have ZERO influence upon them or the price of oil wherever you are... doing so is just wasting your life-time. Screw them and focus upon things that matter right in front of you that you have control over. I'd recommend starting with researching the validity of my claims to help wake yourself and your friends and family up to the real reality all around you vs the programmed one having you think there is really an us vs them situation.
You overestimate the stability of human institutions and the ability of significant numbers of people to cooperate over the long-term.
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Old 12-01-2014, 06:05 AM
 
Location: Myrtle Creek, Oregon
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"We consume more shell oil then any other country. Cheap shell oil is going to help small business..."

That's shale oil; not "Shell oil" !
Thanks to the high energy costs of extraction, shale oil is quite expensive compared to liquid crude oil. There is some question of what the actual cost of production is, but $100/bbl is a number that is bandied about. As the WSJ says, we are about to find out what the American oil industry's true break-even cost is.
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Old 12-01-2014, 08:58 AM
 
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Thanks to the high energy costs of extraction, shale oil is quite expensive compared to liquid crude oil. There is some question of what the actual cost of production is, but $100/bbl is a number that is bandied about. As the WSJ says, we are about to find out what the American oil industry's true break-even cost is.
Depends on the producer and location of the wells. $100 is way too much in TX, ND.

From UBS October 2014,

UBS INVESTMENT RESEARCH (Oct. 14)
BASIN BREAKEVEN OIL PRICE PER BARREL
EAGLE FORD $43.34
MIDLAND NORTH WOLFCAMP $52.56
MIDLAND SOUTH WOLFCAMP $62.74
DELAWARE BONE SPRING $64.67
BAKKEN $65.06
NIOBRARA $72.75
DELAWARE WOLFCAMP $74.86
UINTA-VERTICAL $78.16
MISSISSIPIAN LIME $85.54
DELAWARE AVALON $85.87
ANADARKO BASIN $88.83
UTICA-HORIZONTAL $111.48

Cut and paste from Reuters article, FACTBOX-Breakeven oil prices for U.S. shale: analyst estimates | Reuters

Geopolitically, cheap oil is good for the US in that it screws over unfriendly countries (Iran, Venezuela, Russia), and exacerbates any financial sanctions we have in place (Iran, Russia).

Economically, the US consumer wins (lower direct car costs, indirect transportation costs of goods). Losers will be folks employed in the more expensive shale regions. But from someone originally from Detroit who has seen the economy explode/implode based on fuel costs, not going to shed tears
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