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Old 05-09-2015, 12:40 PM
 
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All valid points...

One of my friends has been building homes for 40 years and is very successful... we had a chat the other day and said the same as my Doctor friends... none encourage their kids to follow in their footsteps... not a one.

The Doctors are especially adamant... the CEO of the Hospital where I work has three sons and two are in Real Estate and one in Finance and says how glad he is they are not in medicine.

The builder says the same... his daughter works for Genentech and with her stock and benefits says why would she ever want the burden of running a business...

It's like the days of the sole proprietor hanging out a shingle and building a medium to large company through hard work and determination elude traditional enterprises... it can take my builder friend 4 to 5 year from gound purchase to a finished home here in the Bay Area...

My godfather did well as an aeronautical engineer consultant... his daughter took a job as a high school intern for a small company called Apple back in 1978-79... she never went to college and has enjoyed tremendous financial success...

What I do see is class warfare/envy which tears down instead of inspiring...

Look at Buffet and Gates... look at others that came before like Ford, Carnegie, etc... the billions donated to charity and good works... I guess it's easy to only see the bad and dismiss the good.
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Old 05-09-2015, 12:40 PM
 
Location: Ruidoso, NM
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people vote republicans to pick up the pieces and they get blamed
I think you spend too much time watching TV and voicing your opinion, and too little researching what is really happening.
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Old 05-09-2015, 12:46 PM
 
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From what I've seen, there's stark difference in prestige and community-standing between a professional who runs a private business (dental practice, law practice, etc.) vs. one who is a well-compensated salaried employee for a corporation. The latter is viewed as a drone, a stuffed-shirt and a parasite who earns good money for slipshod and overblown labor. The former is a community hero and the archetype of American virtue. The reason for accepting the "headache of running a practice" is, quite simply, personal fulfillment; or more cynically, prestige.
LOL hardly. wow!

The rich like Carnegie, Ford and Vanderbilt and all those guys who invested in the car, electricity, finance, making other people's lives better should be proud but see, part of it was they had an "incentive" to risk their money. Small business today must see potential "incentive" for their hard work and money.

The drone as YOU call him is providing a service to the employer that the employer is willing to pay for and by doing that he is paying his way through life, good for him. The private business had a vision. He would make a good life for himself by providing a service or products that others wanted, making their customers lives better too and so the business owner took the risk.

What good is prestige if you are poor and struggling?

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Old 05-09-2015, 12:55 PM
 
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I think you spend too much time watching TV and voicing your opinion, and too little researching what is really happening.
Yet you ignored the rest of the post. Government can not and will not legislate your prosperity, not democrats nor republicans, so lets keep giving government more and more of the people's money to waste.
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Old 05-09-2015, 01:28 PM
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Location: New York Area
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We hear endless complaining from all the "progressives" and Left-leaners here that some "one per cent" -- sommewhere - is getting a disproportionaate share of the "nation's" wealth, and that it should e "redistributed".

I would love to hear some to these delusionists tell us all exactly how you would accomplish this***********
so go ahead, you guys and gals over there on the left side of the aisle; tellus how you woulld "right" what you perceive to be a "wrong" without a field day for the shiftless and irresponsible who take advantage of what was intnded tfor the truly disadvantaged
The goose laying the golden eggs would be killed in no time. Ever wonder why Europe is not doing as well as the Americas? Because first the royals and then the "socialists" (really royal old wine in new bottles) taxed the productive class. That created a massive brain drain. Guess where their smartest people with the most initiative went? And some went with money as well.

Robin Hood policies work in fiction, not in the real world.
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Old 05-09-2015, 03:16 PM
 
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Yet you ignored the rest of the post. Government can not and will not legislate your prosperity, not democrats nor republicans, so lets keep giving government more and more of the people's money to waste.
I'm guessing you've never taken ECON because this might be one of the most ignorant statements that I've ever read.

Most of the wealth in this country is a direct result of both government assistance and protection.

I'm fiscally conservative myself, but let's keep it real up in here. Too much government is a bad thing, but without the basics, this country would be ran by the .001% and not the 1%. The country would be ran by warlords, much like what is often seen in Sub-Sahara Africa.
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Old 05-09-2015, 03:23 PM
 
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I'm guessing you've never taken ECON because this might be one of the most ignorant statements that I've ever read.

Most of the wealth in this country is a direct result of both government assistance and protection.

I'm fiscally conservative myself, but let's keep it real up in here. Too much government is a bad thing, but without the basics, this country would be ran by the .001% and not the 1%. The country would be ran by warlords, much like what is often seen in Sub-Sahara Africa.
One might say that "government can and will legislate your prosperity" if you can pay the freight.
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Old 05-09-2015, 06:28 PM
 
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One might say that "government can and will legislate your prosperity" if you can pay the freight.
^this
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Old 05-09-2015, 06:35 PM
 
Location: South Texas
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Taxation is theft!
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In the same sense that the grocery store check-out aisle is theft.
Apples-to-oranges. Transactions with the grocery store are voluntary, in that there is no legal penalty for not purchasing items from a grocery store. By contrast, if you fail to pay your taxes, legal penalties will be assessed against you, up to and including the use of deadly force to take your property.

Taxation is not theft - it's extortion.






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How cartoon-like. If you have ever written a letter to your Congressperson, you are in fact a lobbyist. You however only represented yourself. Other lobbyists represent significant numbers of people who have similar views on an issue or set of issues. These people could of course all come to Washington and march in the streets to demand change, and sometimes they do that. But the more common practice is simply to hire a representative in DC to plead your case for you. There are as the result lobbyists for the pro and con sides of nearly every actual issue and for all sorts of shades of gray in between.
I understand the difference between a private citizen petitioning the government for redress of grievances, and a paid professional providing consideration to political figures in exchange for favorable treatment of the lobbyist's client(s)- particularly when the latter is done in the absence of any wrong or hardship that would fit the definition of "grievance."



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Lobbyists are an important source of support and information for law- and policy-makers.
Madison would disagree entirely. The federal government was not intended to be a feeding trough for the elitists in business and special-interest non-profits.



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Your failure to understand lobbying as an important, integral, and protected part of American democracy is kind of disheartening.
It is no surprise that anyone who would argue that lobbying (and thus, the resulting inequality and corruption) is a good thing would take such liberties as to describe a constitutional republic as a democracy.
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Old 05-09-2015, 06:45 PM
 
Location: South Texas
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Why would I want to punish the 1%? I'm too busy trying to join them
Same here.

Only a fool would choose to remain poor and hate those who are successful.
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