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Old 06-10-2015, 09:49 AM
 
Location: Ruidoso, NM
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Wage data makes it seem like no one is getting ahead due to small salary increases but many are also getting promotions to higher, better paid jobs.
Some are. Most aren't.
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Old 06-11-2015, 05:24 PM
 
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Some are. Most aren't.
some don't want to move up, most do...

I don't know why you think everyone is stuck on the low rungs of economy but when I look around, all I see are people moving up in it...
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Old 06-11-2015, 08:42 PM
 
Location: Ruidoso, NM
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all I see are people moving up in it...
You should broaden your horizons. No matter how bad things are for the majority, some will be doing just fine... relatively.
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Old 06-11-2015, 09:30 PM
 
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You should broaden your horizons. No matter how bad things are for the majority, some will be doing just fine... relatively.
Then how do you explain personal income at an all time high?
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Old 06-12-2015, 01:59 PM
 
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Then how do you explain personal income at an all time high?
1 guy at the top makes 10 million. The other 99 make $100.

Next year.....1 guy at the top makes 20 million. The other 99 make $99

personal income is at a all time high!
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Old 06-13-2015, 07:12 AM
 
Location: Spain
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It takes promotions to get ahead.
Or job hopping.
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Old 06-13-2015, 07:17 AM
 
Location: Spain
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1 guy at the top makes 10 million. The other 99 make $100.

Next year.....1 guy at the top makes 20 million. The other 99 make $99

personal income is at a all time high!
Usually income starts are reported as median, which of course solves the outlier problem you've demonstrated.

I know household income data is almost always median, but really not sure on personal income since don't see that source as often.
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Old 06-13-2015, 09:55 AM
 
Location: Ruidoso, NM
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Then how do you explain personal income at an all time high?
No one is jumping up and down, celebrating that GDP is at an all time high. We expect it to climb. In fact if it doesn't, we have a special name. It's called a recession.

This used to be true of real wages as well. Over our history until the mid '70s, median wages have kept up with per capita GDP, on average. But after it became painfully obvious to nearly everyone in 2008 that wages have sucked for 30 years, we were inundated by all this apologetic BS that we needed to be happy with any tiny rise at all. And look, now you have computers and cell phones! Isn't that great?

If median wages had kept pace with per capita GDP and productivity over the last 40 years, we'd be ~70% richer than we are.

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Old 06-13-2015, 11:07 AM
 
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I have no idea why you would expect wages to increase at the same rate as productivity. We know that there have been huge increases in productivity due to computers, automation, and a variety of other factors not related to human labor. Clearly those increases have required expenses for hardware, computers and software.

Your chart does show an interesting change. Females are being compensated at an increasingly higher level. So a small extent, society is now treating women more fairly and paying closer to parity but there are a lot of other reasons. To put it another way: men are falling behind and will continue to do so as the workplace and our society changes.
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Old 06-13-2015, 12:00 PM
 
Location: Ruidoso, NM
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I have no idea why you would expect wages to increase at the same rate as productivity. We know that there have been huge increases in productivity due to computers, automation, and a variety of other factors not related to human labor. Clearly those increases have required expenses for hardware, computers and software.
Every expense is someone's salary.

Basic econ: productivity is precisely what makes us richer. It is the rising tide. And in consumer capitalism, these gains need to be shared else the system stalls.

The only reason we haven't gotten richer over the last 40 years is because the rich oligarchs hatched a scheme (using globalization) where they could successfully take all the productivity gains.
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