How Will The Lower Fertility Rates Effect The World Economically? (2013, workers)
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Just to remind you that there is singlism in our tax code. Single people are taxed disproportionately more than those who are married and have children. Much of this goes back to the religious roots of this country and the fact that the majority of our population believe in some sort of religion or "spirit".
No, the government already is complaining about other people's decision to bear children. It has policies set up to intervene, to socially engineers, and to shuffle people into certain lifestyles.
Maybe so and then again maybe not.
Governments going back to the days when kings and emperors ruled much of the earth have known one of the most effective ways to affect behavior is via taxation.
While it may suit persons per se to remain single, it does not do governments very much good. They want and need stable population growth for everything from industry (including farming) to military. If this does not happen a ruler/government is faced with some stark choices. Wait around until deaths out number births and the population collapses or find ways to increase said numbers.
Historically that last bit happened by wars of conquest; aside from plundering not only were enslaved persons brought back their females were often raped and or given to local men as "wives". So the population would increase on two fronts.
Yes, historically the United States along with most every other western nation has taxed married households at a lesser rate than singles. Theory behind this was a husband was usually the sole provider for himself, his wife and several children. Long story short a single income has to go much further in a married household than otherwise.
There is also the marriage "benefit" you saw alluded to even in the recent SCOTUS decision on gay marriages. Marriage is view as having a stabilizing affect especially on men. The idea has less to do with religion than the idea a man safe within the bosom of his happy family is less likely to get up to mischief (yes, I know but I didn't make up this stuff). For women marriage was their lot in life, period. It was the only career open to them until quite recently historically, so to ease the "burden" for a man taking on a wife and the resulting children less taxes are paid.
Is there a good birthrate that everyone can agree on? What might it be? Who/How does it get enforced?
Standard used in science is a female must reproduce at least a minimum 3 children for a demographic/population to grow. One child to replace each parent and a spare as "extra".
What is happening in the USA mimics the same in Western Europe; native white female populations by and large are no longer interested in having large families just because the state wishes them so. Many of these women are better educated and or have more choices than their mothers or grandmothers ever could dream. The availability of safe and legal birth control along with abortion has helped this "family planning" along.
Protestant/WASP families long ago limited their offspring, but regardless of what the Pope says or thinks many American Catholic women (Irish, German, Italian, etc...) have stopped having large families as well.
People who earn income. You should try something better than sophistry.
That's all some people got.
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Originally Posted by NickB1967
Unfortunately, the pension systems upon which you rely were set up with an assumption of greater fertility than there is now and will be in the future.
Currently, you are 13.3 Million workers short of funding any number of programs, but specifically Social Security and Medicare.
Europe is also under the same problem with declining birth rates. They cannot pay for their programs and will have to cut them severely in the near future, about 2030 or so.
Although spending averages 40 percent of GDP today:
■ By 2020, the average EU country will need to raise the tax rate to 55 percent of national income to pay promised benefits.
■ By 2035, a tax rate of 57 percent will be required.
■ By 2050, the average EU country will need more than 60 percent of its GDP to fulfill its obligations.
Source: Measuring the Unfunded Obligations of European Countries
Immigration will not alter that.
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Originally Posted by Major Barbara
No, it isn't, and you are not fit to monetize or otherwise sit in judgment over anyone else's decision-making in the matter. Self-appointed schlemiels and other meddlers need not apply.
When I am paying the bill, I'm fit to sit in judgment.
In case you didn't get it, my function on this Earth is not to pay for other people's tattoos, beer, dope, cigarettes or lotto tickets and gambling.
Judging...
Currently, you are 13.3 Million workers short of funding any number of programs, but specifically Social Security and Medicare.
Social Security and Medicare are funded the same way everything else is;
The Federal government merely wires the money into the checking accounts of recipients. Poof!
We can, and should, eliminate FICA taxes tomorrow.
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Originally Posted by Mircea
Europe is also under the same problem with declining birth rates. They cannot pay for their programs and will have to cut them severely in the near future, about 2030 or so.
Countries enslaved by the Euro can't pay for programs. The UK wouldn't qualify as one of those. They have nothing to worry about.
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Originally Posted by Mircea
Although spending averages 40 percent of GDP today:
■ By 2020, the average EU country will need to raise the tax rate to 55 percent of national income to pay promised benefits.
■ By 2035, a tax rate of 57 percent will be required.
■ By 2050, the average EU country will need more than 60 percent of its GDP to fulfill its obligations.
It's time to break up the EU.
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Originally Posted by Mircea
When I am paying the bill, I'm fit to sit in judgment.
In case you didn't get it, my function on this Earth is not to pay for other people's tattoos, beer, dope, cigarettes or lotto tickets and gambling.
You aren't paying anyone else's bill. You don't fund my government.
With these low fertility rates how soon global population will start to shrink??
It's still growing but growth has only slowed.
It didn't stop.
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