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Old 11-08-2015, 04:04 PM
 
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Yep. Central Bankers are a benevolent bunch of goody-two-shoes looking out for the welfare of their subjects.

I worked among the crooks all my life. My son, upon my earnings, worked for these crooks for all of two years before he understood how the game is played. He couldn't stomach it so he left.

Give up with your meaningless academic studies. If you ever played a game of Monopoly with cheats (as I did when I was young), the cheats just steal money from the Bank and use it to buy up all assets. That is the real game. Isn't some fanciful game where everyone is playing fair and looking out for each other. You want to know where the robbers of the world migrated to. We're talking about them. And just like the mobsters of old, they are quite capable of buying of Politicians to get where they want. Just look at the masterful history of His Royal Highness Stanley Fischer, the true Ruler of the Realm.

These thugs do not donate to politicians out of the goodness of their hearts.
There is a real problem with corruption in this country between Banking, Crony Corporations and Politicians.

There are around 20 Bankers for everyone Congressman in DC.

Also the revolving door is a serious problem.
It is no coincidence that the most wealthy in this country are the ones connected to the hip of politicians.
What we have in this country is Corporate and Banking Fascism


All Banks and Corporations need to be kicked out of our government.

Top Contributors to Barack Obama, 2008 Cycle | OpenSecrets

Top Contributors to Obama
Goldman Sachs $1,013,091
JPMorgan Chase & Co $808,799
Citigroup Inc $736,771
Time Warner $624,618
Morgan Stanley $512,232
Latham & Watkins $503,295

Top Contributors to Mitt Romney, 2012 Cycle | OpenSecrets
Top Contributors to Romney
Goldman Sachs $1,033,204
Bank of America $1,013,402
Morgan Stanley $911,305
JPMorgan Chase & Co $834,096
Wells Fargo $677,076
Credit Suisse Group $643,120
Citigroup Inc $511,199
Barclays $446,000
Rothman Institute $259,500
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Old 11-08-2015, 04:17 PM
 
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Lobbying is of course a protected Constitutional right, and there are and have long been many thousands of well-paid lobbyists in the national capital, and to a lesser extent, in state capitals as well. In nearly all cases, you can count on lobbyists to be working both sides of any given issue.


Again, no matter how any issue is resolved, one group of lobbyists will be happy and one group will be sad. Amending Glass-Steagall had indeed been a Republican wet-dream for quite a long time. They prevailed eventually in part because it had become true that the law was handicapping US banks in their international operations. Also, Republicans became willing to go along with expansions of the Community Reinvestment Act that they had previously opposed. Those two things put GLB over the top.


Sardonic chit-chat. The reading of too much into such things should be more carefully guarded against.
Modern Day Lobbying is legalized $$Bribery$$.

The ones lobbying both sides of the issue would be as an example Lockheed Martin and Boeing bribing their politician on who gets the contract.

Or JP Morgan and Goldman Sachs on who gets favored treatment.

The Majority of Americans living paycheck to paycheck have no such luxury to purchase politicians on speed dial to tailor the market place to their $$benefit$$

All Lobbyists need to be thrown out of DC
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Old 11-08-2015, 04:25 PM
 
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Modern Day Lobbying is legalized $$Bribery$$.
No, lobbying is still a protected Constitutional right. What's unfortunate perhaps is that we still don't have campaign finance laws that restrict spending to set amounts provided from public funds. This causes politicians to spend a great deal of time in building campaign war chests. None of them likes it, but they all have to do it.
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Old 11-08-2015, 04:28 PM
 
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These thugs do not donate to politicians out of the goodness of their hearts.
There is a real problem with corruption in this country between Banking, Crony Corporations and Politicians.

There are around 20 Bankers for everyone Congressman in DC.

Also the revolving door is a serious problem.
It is no coincidence that the most wealthy in this country are the ones connected to the hip of politicians.
What we have in this country is Corporate and Banking Fascism


All Banks and Corporations need to be kicked out of our government.

Top Contributors to Barack Obama, 2008 Cycle | OpenSecrets

Top Contributors to Obama
Goldman Sachs $1,013,091
JPMorgan Chase & Co $808,799
Citigroup Inc $736,771
Time Warner $624,618
Morgan Stanley $512,232
Latham & Watkins $503,295

Top Contributors to Mitt Romney, 2012 Cycle | OpenSecrets
Top Contributors to Romney
Goldman Sachs $1,033,204
Bank of America $1,013,402
Morgan Stanley $911,305
JPMorgan Chase & Co $834,096
Wells Fargo $677,076
Credit Suisse Group $643,120
Citigroup Inc $511,199
Barclays $446,000
Rothman Institute $259,500
Agreed. Excellent point.
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Old 11-08-2015, 04:31 PM
 
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There was a significant increase in lobbying activity around debate of the health care act. If you excise the "surge" from that period from the record, there hasn't been this great increase, certainly no "exponential" increase. What may have increased however is the amount of partisan propaganda written about lobbyists.


In 1970, there were less than 200 Corporate and Banking Lobby Offices in Washington DC
In 2015, there are over 2000 Corporate and Banking Lobby Offices in Washington DC.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lobbyi...ollar_business

Since the 1970s, there has been explosive growth in the lobbying industry, particularly in Washington D.C..

How Corporate Lobbyists Conquered American Democracy - The Atlantic

How Corporate Lobbyists Conquered American Democracy
Business didn't always have so much power in Washington.''

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One has to go back to the Gilded Age to find business in such a dominant political position in American politics. While it is true that even in the more pluralist 1950s and 1960s, political representation tilted towards the well-off, lobbying was almost balanced by today's standards. Labor unions were much more important, and the public-interest groups of the 1960s were much more significant actors. And very few companies had their own Washington lobbyists prior to the 1970s
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Old 11-08-2015, 04:36 PM
 
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No, lobbying is still a protected Constitutional right. What's unfortunate perhaps is that we still don't have campaign finance laws that restrict spending to set amounts provided from public funds. This causes politicians to spend a great deal of time in building campaign war chests. None of them likes it, but they all have to do it.
Politicians legislating policy with the best interests of all Americans in mind is also a Constitutional Requirement.

Corporate Lobbyists for NAFTA, China Trade and Now the TPP have made it clear who the politicians legislate for. Politicians are nothing more than Corporate and Banking Puppets rather than legislators of Constitutional Policy.

Fascist Obamacare as the latest example, was a permanent stealth bailout for the thieves in Big Pharma and Insurance.

https://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/to...=a&indexType=i

Top Lobbying Industries

Pharmaceuticals/Health Products $3,146,090,212
Insurance $2,190,651,832

Electric Utilities $2,013,127,133
Electronics Mfg & Equip $1,823,347,451
Business Associations $1,811,811,643
Oil & Gas $1,715,405,541
Misc Manufacturing & Distributing $1,416,425,661
Education $1,399,862,870
Hospitals/Nursing Homes $1,310,021,801
Telecom Services $1,271,840,866
Securities & Investment $1,264,774,284
Civil Servants/Public Officials $1,216,181,432
Real Estate $1,215,135,758
Health Professionals $1,189,983,794
Air Transport $1,125,384,003
Misc Issues $929,225,311
Automotive $891,793,138
Defense Aerospace $887,354,553
Health Services/HMOs $863,410,051
TV/Movies/Music $851,379,595
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Old 11-08-2015, 04:40 PM
 
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LOL! 1970 was 45 years ago. The number of registered lobbyists is meanwhile meaningless. Except when issues such as PPACA are on the board, a large majority of registered lobbyists are not lobbying anyone about anything. Things have been heating up a little bit lately with expectations of seeing TPP on the calendar sometime in the Spring. Otherwise, seas are calm.
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Old 11-08-2015, 04:49 PM
 
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Politicians legislating policy with the best interests of all Americans in mind is also a Constitutional Requirement.
No, it isn't. Lawmakers may be expected to work in the interests of their constituents, but there is nothing in the Constitution about that. There is just the oath that all federal employees swear some version of to support and defend the Constitution.

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Fascist Obamacare as the latest example, was a permanent stealth bailout for the thieves in Big Pharma and Insurance.
Sure, sure! That's exactly what it was. LOL!
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Old 11-08-2015, 04:53 PM
 
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This describes our fascist country today from a voice in the past.

They claim to be super-patriots but they would destroy every liberty guaranteed by the Constitution. They demand free enterprise but are the spokesmen for monopoly and vested interest. Their final objective toward which all their deceit is directed is to capture political power so that using the power of the state and the power of the market simultaneously they may keep the common man in eternal subjection."

Vice President Wallace on Fascism in 1944


All Corporations and Banks need to be thrown out of our Government
Revolving Door and Lobbyists.

I'll be voting for any politician that runs on doing just that.

Apparently the big corporations are not models of success if they need big government to prop them up.
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Old 11-08-2015, 05:05 PM
 
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No, it isn't. Lawmakers may be expected to work in the interests of their constituents, but there is nothing in the Constitution about that. There is just the oath that all federal employees swear some version of to support and defend the Constitution.


Sure, sure! That's exactly what it was. LOL!
Americans purchasing power and wages have been declining the past few decades thanks to Corporate Globalism and in using illegal slave labor in China (250 million Chinese had their lands stolen and relocated to cities to make widgets) (Supply and Demand has consequences)

The only things they did not outsource is the cost of health insurance and pharma.
Pharma and Insurance Lobbyists went to the puppet politicians because of the rising costs and inability for the existing pool to prop them up. Enter, all Americans.

That is a fact.

Politicians only listen to those with deep pockets and Obamacare came directly from Insurance and Pharma Lobbyists.


https://represent.us/action/theproblem-4/

Their study took data from nearly 2000 public opinion surveys and compared it to the policies that ended up becoming law. In other words, they compared what the public wanted to what the government actually did. What they found was extremely unsettling: The opinions of 90% of Americans have essentially no impact at all.

One thing that does have an influence? Money. While the opinions of the bottom 90% of income earners in America have a “statistically non-significant impact,” Economic elites, business interests, and people who can afford lobbyists still carry major influence.


https://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/to...=a&indexType=i

Top Lobbying Industries

Pharmaceuticals/Health Products $3,146,090,212
Insurance $2,190,651,832
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