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Old 10-28-2015, 12:52 PM
 
Location: East of Seattle since 1992, 615' Elevation, Zone 8b - originally from SF Bay Area
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Since the schools eliminated "tracking" by ability, and youth sports declared "everyone is a winner" and stopped keeping score and/or giving everyone trophies, kids have stopped being competitive. The race is to the top, and those that participate in the race are the only ones with a chance to make it. Those that sit back and expect a great job to be handed to them upon graduation are going to have a hard time. It's always been that way, the difference now is that
so many more that fail to compete, and so many fewer jobs for those that compete successfully. With more jobs at the high and low ends, and fewer in the middle, we end up with a rapidly shrinking middle class, slowly growing upper middle and upper class, and much bigger lower class. This will not change as long as the government caters to those that depend on their programs to survive.
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Old 10-28-2015, 01:40 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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Since the schools eliminated "tracking" by ability, and youth sports declared "everyone is a winner" and stopped keeping score and/or giving everyone trophies, kids have stopped being competitive. The race is to the top, and those that participate in the race are the only ones with a chance to make it. Those that sit back and expect a great job to be handed to them upon graduation are going to have a hard time. It's always been that way, the difference now is that
so many more that fail to compete, and so many fewer jobs for those that compete successfully. With more jobs at the high and low ends, and fewer in the middle, we end up with a rapidly shrinking middle class, slowly growing upper middle and upper class, and much bigger lower class. This will not change as long as the government caters to those that depend on their programs to survive.



I don't think overalls are really in fashion any longer.

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We have an oversupply of capital and yet it is not being invested in productive enterprises because demand is systemically lacking, due to decades of debt escalation and poor wages.
Which highlights the inefficiency of it all.
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Old 10-28-2015, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Holly Springs, NC
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Since the schools eliminated "tracking" by ability, and youth sports declared "everyone is a winner" and stopped keeping score and/or giving everyone trophies, kids have stopped being competitive. The race is to the top, and those that participate in the race are the only ones with a chance to make it. Those that sit back and expect a great job to be handed to them upon graduation are going to have a hard time. It's always been that way, the difference now is that
so many more that fail to compete, and so many fewer jobs for those that compete successfully. With more jobs at the high and low ends, and fewer in the middle, we end up with a rapidly shrinking middle class, slowly growing upper middle and upper class, and much bigger lower class. This will not change as long as the government caters to those that depend on their programs to survive.
A gov't that robs Peter to pay Paul can always count on the support of Paul.
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Old 10-28-2015, 01:55 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia Area
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Hardly anyone gets it. It's not capitalism. You don't have a free market when interest rates are artificially set and the stock market and gold and silver markets are artificially propped up and kept down. Nor do you have capitalism when failing businesses are propped up. You have a controlled economy in both East and West. It's a private, centrally controlled economy by "Them" and we've been in it here for over a century.

It's not "capitalism". It's "They"/"Them" the Satanic illuminati.

Rakovsky outlines the Illuminati plan to blend Communism and Capitalism. In each case, the Illuminati will control all wealth and power.

"In Moscow there is Communism: in New York capitalism. It is all the same as thesis and antithesis. Analyze both. Moscow is subjective Communism but [objectively] State capitalism. New York: Capitalism subjective, but Communism objective. A personal synthesis, truth: the Financial International, the Capitalist Communist one. 'They.' " (276)

In the case of Communism, the State owns the corporations, and the bankers own the State. In the case of Capitalism, the bankers control the corporations, and the corporations control the State. In each case, you have monopoly capitalism with increasing political and cultural monopoly in the West resembling that of Soviet Russia.
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Old 10-28-2015, 05:26 PM
 
Location: The New England part of Ohio
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Most people think not of how a product or service comes to be. As a consumer nation, this is to be expected. But it is this lack of regard that promotes price as a priority, over all else. In my opinion, the average consumer in America cares about price over all else. It might be about money, or it might be another example of the dumbing down of America. I think it is this type of thinking that is shaping the culture and attitude of our nation today.

I think there are deeper cracks in the capitalist model though. Take the recent example of Volkswagen. Instead of following the rules and playing fair, Volkswagen violated them, which rewarded them greatly. They became the #1 automaker in the world as a result. Their tactics also put a greater amount of pollution into the environment. I can't imagine what goes on in the energy industry, in an effort to "compete".

The system is too easy to cheat, manipulate, or completely violate. Honest participants face great adversity. A few criminals are caught, but their actions still have an impact and consequences. The average Joe stands very little chance, as he is just another commodity to be exploited. There are jobs, but most job creation has been low paying, and doesn't support the cost of living. Small businesses struggle to attract quality workers with the money they have.

Seems like unfettered capitalism, left to it's own, is an inevitable race to the bottom. It might even self destruct, once it stops promoting productivity growth. Agree? Disagree?

Agree. Completely. Well said.
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Old 10-28-2015, 05:33 PM
 
Location: The New England part of Ohio
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Since the schools eliminated "tracking" by ability, and youth sports declared "everyone is a winner" and stopped keeping score and/or giving everyone trophies, kids have stopped being competitive. The race is to the top, and those that participate in the race are the only ones with a chance to make it. Those that sit back and expect a great job to be handed to them upon graduation are going to have a hard time. It's always been that way, the difference now is that
so many more that fail to compete, and so many fewer jobs for those that compete successfully. With more jobs at the high and low ends, and fewer in the middle, we end up with a rapidly shrinking middle class, slowly growing upper middle and upper class, and much bigger lower class. This will not change as long as the government caters to those that depend on their programs to survive.

I keep hearing about "schools that have eliminated tracking" - yet in practice, I have never seen this.

My youngest child was in the honors track. She just graduated from HS this year. My son was also in Honors. He graduated 3 years ago.

They attended public schools in NY and Ohio and a private school in PA.

All of them had tracking. It basically was the same in each location - Honors, College Preparatory, Diploma (meeting the minimum standards to graduate HS - for students who do not intend to go to college) and in one, a remedial track.

I'm all for tracking, by the way.
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Old 10-28-2015, 06:20 PM
 
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no, capitlaism system is the only way a truly poor person can get an idea and be filty rich in life. look at the harry potter lady, over a billion dollars
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Old 10-28-2015, 07:31 PM
 
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Capitalism was good, today not so much but eventually, hopefully, it will be a beneficial force again.
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Old 10-28-2015, 08:15 PM
 
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May have ran its course.

Like Monarchies. Once ruled the world . . . now they are little more than a Fairy Tale Once Upon a Time.

On the Math part . . . Endless Growth on a Finite Planet . . . Capitalism is bound to have problems.

At this point one can do far more with becoming more efficient and requiring LESS Capital than one can do with more Capital.

Only two things have an ethic of Endless Growth for the sake of Growth.

1. Cancer. AND
2. Morbid Obesity.

and oh yeah.

3. Capitalism.

Not much future in any of those.
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Old 10-28-2015, 08:22 PM
 
Location: NYC
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Capitalism is a big casino, all the ones holding the trump decks are the dealers and everybody else have to use all their chips and pray with the slimmest hope they can win it big just one day.
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