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Old 12-19-2015, 09:12 PM
 
Location: Myrtle Creek, Oregon
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Originally Posted by mathjak107 View Post
unemployment is getting to the level where many of those left unemployed either do not really want to work or are unemployable because they can't pass a drug test , background check or credit check to even get to first base .

we have been hiring for years and run in to this daily .
You got that right. America is at 100% employment right now. Anyone who is employable has a job. Nobody wants the drunks, druggies and deadbeats. The recession has been over for a long time now.

 
Old 12-19-2015, 09:57 PM
 
Location: Manhattan, NYC
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You got that right. America is at 100% employment right now. Anyone who is employable has a job. Nobody wants the drunks, druggies and deadbeats. The recession has been over for a long time now.
I wouldn't be so sure, because people are employed but with a very low salary for jobs which wouldn't have been one a few years back... and many people are out of the statistics for a reason or another as well.

Not denying that the situation might turn out to be much better than expected. However, at this point, I really don't see how that could be "proved" in any way.

I suppose it would be good if wages could start going up to secure the end of the recession for good, unfortunately this is not driven by any of the macro economic indicators but solely by the companies.
 
Old 12-20-2015, 03:37 AM
 
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we are having bidding wars in our industry (electrical ) for employees . the offers and employee pirating going on between company's is insane .

i am retired 5 months and they still have not found someone to replace me . resumes come in daily but the selection pool is not good at all .

most of our employees were not walk in's but came from competitors and were already working or were walked in by existing employees .

our firm is one of the fastest growing in the tristate area with over 150 employees , most hired since 2008 when we grew from a 20 million dollar company to almost 100 million today . we were a 5 million dollar company in 1998 when i was part of the original formation . they have trouble filling everything from warehouse right through engineers because so many are unemployed for a reason .

the amount of drug usage out there is mind blowing . the ability today to easily research the back grounds and credit status of potential employees has really tightened up the labor force .

a poor credit score is usually not the result of some unfortunate event . it generally can be traced to a history of poor choices and bad decisions leading up to the event .

there is almost no one who had not gone through divorce-illness or job loss at some point but how we prepare or deal with it will be very different .

the feeling an employer gets is if you can't manage your own money what the heck will you do with company resources . there is a potential honesty factor linked to poor credit scores too as proven by the auto insurance industry to congress , so without an employer playing detective and trying to decipher who is who and why it is easier to just pass on someone not up to standards .

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Old 12-20-2015, 04:01 AM
 
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I get it, you are the millionaire next door (making a reference to the book).
well having a million bucks in ny and retiring on it is no better then a 40k pension and nooooo savings , even less today as rates are low and markets poor , when it comes to cash flow . .

i can tell you just our health insurance , long term care insurance and rent ( and we live in a rent stabilized building ) is 36k in AFTER TAX dollars . health care once you are no longer subsidized by an employer is rediculios , even with an aca plan which i have . 3k deductibles , 6k out of pockets and a few thousand in premiums a year is what you have .

the balance left will not support a middle class life style in this city at all . just the above has taken a million bucks to cover after taxes . it includes nothing else in life but those items .

that is scary .

so it isn't about the pile of money you have , at the end of the day it is only about what that pile of money can generate working for you and what your expenses are that consume it .

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Old 12-20-2015, 05:56 AM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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Originally Posted by mathjak107 View Post
we are having bidding wars in our industry (electrical ) for employees . the offers and employee pirating going on between company's is insane .

i am retired 5 months and they still have not found someone to replace me . resumes come in daily but the selection pool is not good at all .

most of our employees were not walk in's but came from competitors and were already working or were walked in by existing employees .

our firm is one of the fastest growing in the tristate area with over 150 employees , most hired since 2008 when we grew from a 20 million dollar company to almost 100 million today . we were a 5 million dollar company in 1998 when i was part of the original formation . they have trouble filling everything from warehouse right through engineers because so many are unemployed for a reason .

the amount of drug usage out there is mind blowing . the ability today to easily research the back grounds and credit status of potential employees has really tightened up the labor force .

a poor credit score is usually not the result of some unfortunate event . it generally can be traced to a history of poor choices and bad decisions leading up to the event .

there is almost no one who had not gone through divorce-illness or job loss at some point but how we prepare or deal with it will be very different .

the feeling an employer gets is if you can't manage your own money what the heck will you do with company resources . there is a potential honesty factor linked to poor credit scores too as proven by the auto insurance industry to congress , so without an employer playing detective and trying to decipher who is who and why it is easier to just pass on someone not up to standards .
Don't fret... They will just import more third world workers and the problem will take care of itself...
 
Old 12-20-2015, 06:25 AM
 
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The area i live in now (Clark County, IN across the river from Louisville, KY) is an example of a middle class blue collar area, mostly because the overall cost of living is so far below the national average (77.0 with 100.0 being the baseline).
You can be solidly middle class even as a single person making $40K with plenty leftover to save and invest. It's not worth staying for a longer period of time, however, because of the large-scale dysfunction and and crazy things that go on here, though.
Like? I think Louisville metro area is one of the best in the USA, and a great hidden secret. I agree Clarksville is not my favorite part, though.
 
Old 12-20-2015, 07:46 AM
 
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THE BIG PICTURE- WE BLIND OURSELVES FROM SEEING
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We can't embrace a short attention span and expect or hope to acknowledge the full spectrum of truths

We have to come to terms within ourselves to "tie the dots together" and look at the big picture and its details.


Unions in America created the "Middle Class", but people let the degree riding minions who came out of university angered because Union employees earned more, but they forgot to respect the fact that Unions fought for those wage rates and many who had lots of seniority, and some of the new union members could benefit because of collective bargaining.
Degree riders got in and claim it was costing the company too much, and soon as they busted out the unions, the degree riders raised their pay, gave themselves outrageous benefits and perks, and slammed the workers, and pushed the delusion that only management and executives were important to the company.

Sadly, American bought the fiction and believed the bull crap. Only now can they see the silliness they bought into when executives pay them selves 10's of millions, given themselves million of stock, top quality medical and dental, and every other perk imaginable, and the company boast profit in the billions of dollars every three months.

All this is money that should be going to the Union workers, if they had not duped American into being a anti union imbeciles.

Part of the madness stems from the anguish of some after the passage of the Civil Rights of 1964, because it means women, blacks and dire poor whites could "Now" get union wage and work themselves to middle class status. The establishment wanted none of that to happen, and the easiest way to ensure it did not happen was to bust Unions and Outsource the Jobs.

American were too uninformed and utterly ignorant to what was happening, and some were so bigoted and racist they could not see what was happening and some of those detested the thought of women and minorities gaining economic equilibrium.

Now, those same ones that took such obtuse stances, now find they are too impacted with stagnant wages, and nothing but clerk jobs as options. They cut their own nose off to spite others and block means for women and minorities to have accessibility to pathways for middle class lifestyles. Richard Nixon and his racist views set it into fast motion, by shipping the ore processing and steel mills to China, and opened the door for all types of industry to be sent to China. Knowing it would only benefit the wealthy, and devastated the women, minorities and poor whites, and Americans were blind, unaware and with no forethought about the consequences. all they cared was that women and minorities would have no accessible pathway to economic uplift. These are truths, many don't want to face or acknowledge, because they don't want their conscience to reveal the truths unto them.

Fact: When Unions were comprised of "white males dominantly", the word was, Unions were the greatest thing for the workers, but when they realized that Minorities and Women could now get these Unions jobs. They wanted to claim Unions workers 'did nothing and were lazy", but they did not want to accept the fact "when white men only were the unions workers they are the ones who set the program to minimize the work they would do, by class and craft guidelines. But when that benefit would be extended to women and minorities, suddenly, they had a problem with it.

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Massive Outsourcing - dismantling of American's Industrial Complex-was a constructed plan.

Institutional Racism/ Gender Bigotry / and Classicism is what brought American down, from the aims to ensure that women and minorities would not get to have a pathway to middle class, along with this the poor whites simply became collateral damage, as they were never well considered to be anything above the service class in the first place. 'Wrap all that into the "Greed of the Wealthy" and you have the downfall of a nation. they promote racism by forced manufactured competition for jobs which ensures racism in the streets of America, they create a model for Gender Bias, by ensuring women are negated by any means possible, and they relegated the poor whites to the level as near indentured servitude as possible, by seeing them as nothing more than the service class laborers. All the while THE WEALTHY talk about equality, but practice invoking and promoting every means of divisiveness imaginable, the wealthy never got over the "seek a slave mentality", so they simply began seeking out slaves on foreign soil, we cried on they are using "sweat shops labor, child labor and etc, but we did nothing to challenges the establishment of Industrialist, to stop outsourcing, we allowed the unions who were the only voice that spoke out to curb outsourcing, and we let the degree riders dupe us to further destroy unions, until the American worker has absolutely NO Voice as a result.
We the masses remain - unaware to face such truths.


It's time for America to wake up and realize the "truth that exist" and the "truths that send American in a downward spiral.

It is no way in hell that Detroit should have ever fallen to the low level it fell, except for institutional racism, Gender bigotry and greed targeted to benefit a few. We became a fool of a nation, to "worship the degree', and disrespect the actual workers", until now we are caught in the madness of a society hung up on "degree labels', until we can't produce anything. We can't achieve anything and we have economic chaos. It was the degree riders who "outsourced industry, not the workers, it was degree riders who over leveraged companies, and ran them out of business, it was "degree riders who sold out business to the merger and acquisition games".
American has been on a down slide every since it placed the degree rider above the actual hands on workers".
Once upon a time people went to University to specialize in something and be a contributor, now people chase degree as nothing more than 'a Get a Job Certificate', and they want a cushy job behind a desk and to make decisions about things they have no knowledge or awareness of, they have no awareness of industry's responsibility to the workers or the community. They have no understanding of the value of industry to remain independent and not over burden with debt gained from borrowing against FICTITIOUS stock ticker pricing, which is well known to be over inflated and pure speculator fiction.
When the crash of 2007-2008 happen, it was the degree riders who said, they did not see it coming, and did not know what to do, but they were the ones who contributed to the crash. Yet, the general public workers saw it coming years ahead. This is the imbecilic mentality that reverberates within the degree riders ranks.

it has never been cheaper to produce Overseas, the result of doing so, is we pay a consumer price for goods as if the company paid quality wage to produce it. when they used slave wage labor to product it, they ship it 8 thousand miles and the only people who profit is the importers who are wealthy corporations. What do we get, we get the opportunity to pay $20-$50-$100 for tennis shoes that were produced for $7. We get to give the retailer a 3000% profit margin when American was built on people earning a 30-50% profit margin. We get cities going bankrupt, school districts that are underfunded, roadways that are crumbling, towns devastated and housing communities turning into expanded ghetto's. Still we can't open our eyes and see that we supported and accepted this madness and still we have many who still support it. We have people who are duped and continue to be duped by anyone wearing a suit and tie and calming a degree, until we are imbeciles to them and they play us for the imbeciles we present ourselves as being. America can't produce 20% of what it consumes !!!! We can't grow our own food, nor make our own clothes and shoes, we can't build our own appliances and we gobble up cell phone like idiots every 6 months and not one of them is made on American soil.
We fill our homes with laminated particle board -straight from China, or any other Asian Pacific nations that knows we are a sucker for imitation disposable products, and we rush out and buy this stuff every six months, and fill our landfills with the waste of it all.
We can't even build homes with American products, 80% of items that goes into the house is from China, we even import 'cinder blocks' to cement bricks, and drywall. This is how pathetic we've become. Still we hail the degree riders who created and conjured this madness up. All so they can get a pat on the back and a bonus check. while the executives pay themselves a kings ransom for making imbeciles of the America people, and we go along with it.

We go out and pay $300-$400 $500-$700k for housing built of cheap imported building materials, and we get google eyed over the appearance without no thought of the poor quality and standard of the materials that went into building it. Developers make a fortune from our ignorance.

During World War II, the reasons American could build vast amounts of planes and military equipment, because we produced everything needed to do so. If we had a war and needed vast materials, all we can do is wait on the ship to arrive with imported goods from screws to every other material we need to build it. If a country wanted to forestall our ability, they only need to delay the shipment, or simply not sell to us. We'd be helpless to do anything about it.
All we do not is play computer games and social media delusions of being important, while the social media site collects data to turn us into marketing targets. We have no idea or forethought to even be aware, and then get angry if someone tries to make us aware.

We helped the degree riding groups destroy middle class, as they hail themselves as masters over the masses. It's so crazy until there is no longer respect for an AA degree, there is no respect for a BA/BS degree, everything is about a Masters degree because it means more money for the University Industry. they sell it to us online, and any other means, and there is absolutely no skill development involved. America was built by people working, and administered by people with "functionally performing AA Degree, and BA/BS degree who actually worked in the field of their study. Today, people get degree's and their main concern is ' what is the rate of pay", even when they are pursuing work that has absolutely nothing remotely to do with the degree label.

We train people in the financial industry only in how to build "Pyramid Schemes", because reality is simple, there is only so much 'real value" in anything, beyond that is is simply fiction to support a Pyramid Scheme, that is destined to crash on a regular cycle and set up to suck in new players.

We can't keep running from the "truths which exist" , nor can we keep blinding ourselves to the collusion that is devastating our lives and that of our offspring's.
It's like our media, they sanitize everything, instead of showing the dead bodies of criminals or terrorist, they put up polished pictures with watered down script, even the Boston Marathon Bomber, they put him on Rolling Stone Magazine cover with full airbrushed and polished appearance. This is the insanity of our system.

Some foreign nations, show the bloodied bodies of criminals, it sends a message to criminals of the reality they will face, so they have less of the crazy crime we have in some areas of their societies. We don't want to see the truth so we can have a false sense of well being. all it does is make us "targets" and put us at greater risk, and embolden criminals to think all they will get is a 'glorified media popularity courtroom trial". We need to show the TRUTH !!!! Terrorist kill out people and all we want to do is bombard the internet with polished pictures of them, rather than show their bullet riddled bodies as a message to say this is what we do to terrorist, instead we run polished pictures for a month.

BUT, the hold back point is us. FIRST!!! WE HAVE TO BECOME A SOCIETY WHO IS WILLING TO FACE THE TRUTH.

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Old 12-20-2015, 07:51 AM
 
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Don't fret... They will just import more third world workers and the problem will take care of itself...
we tried bringing the work to them to do . when our manufacturing arm started to lose bids to our competitors who used foreign labor we had to do the same to be competitive .

but we found the work quality poor .

so we ended up letting them just make the castings there . we do all assembly , testing , qc and engineering right here in ny and employ lots of people to do it who provide high quality work unlike what we were getting from china and mexico .
 
Old 12-20-2015, 08:46 AM
 
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we are having bidding wars in our industry (electrical ) for employees . the offers and employee pirating going on between company's is insane .

i am retired 5 months and they still have not found someone to replace me . resumes come in daily but the selection pool is not good at all .

most of our employees were not walk in's but came from competitors and were already working or were walked in by existing employees .

our firm is one of the fastest growing in the tristate area with over 150 employees , most hired since 2008 when we grew from a 20 million dollar company to almost 100 million today . we were a 5 million dollar company in 1998 when i was part of the original formation . they have trouble filling everything from warehouse right through engineers because so many are unemployed for a reason .

the amount of drug usage out there is mind blowing . the ability today to easily research the back grounds and credit status of potential employees has really tightened up the labor force .

a poor credit score is usually not the result of some unfortunate event . it generally can be traced to a history of poor choices and bad decisions leading up to the event .

there is almost no one who had not gone through divorce-illness or job loss at some point but how we prepare or deal with it will be very different .

the feeling an employer gets is if you can't manage your own money what the heck will you do with company resources . there is a potential honesty factor linked to poor credit scores too as proven by the auto insurance industry to congress , so without an employer playing detective and trying to decipher who is who and why it is easier to just pass on someone not up to standards .
Wow mathjak107

Can you give some info about your retirement, are you happy??

Also i would be really happy if you can share some trends with your line of work in terms of competition and outsourcing?
 
Old 12-20-2015, 08:59 AM
 
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love retirement .. we are active photographers so we are on the go constantly .

i worked for a company that is not only a full line electrical distributor but we also design and build custom motor control panels utilizing drives or soft starts for industry as well as pumping stations and sewage plants . that was my specialty .

we do motor repairs as well as manufacture a line of water and sewage ejector pumps and energy mgmt systems .

all is done in house except the pump castings are out sourced . much to expensive to produce here as well as epa issues .
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