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Old 01-07-2016, 08:16 PM
 
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I think your terminology was of the poorest kind and one that disingenuously labels a group based on your perception


What you might have seen were some cases and you clearly ally that label to others you observe and feel would be in that class


Conceptually your point is irrelevant IMO of course. I understand fungibility just as well as I understand if someone has an xbox they aren't denied EBT benefits because you simply don't like it


It absolutely is because this topic is societal and not one I could solve with a check. Furthermore what is being discussed here is changes that would impact an entire society not just myself or my checkbook


You are incorrect they are both parts of the same issue


I don't recall saying that at all


I believe higher earners should pay more both in dollar terms and percentage terms than lower wage earners
As I said earlier, come out of your ivory tower sometime, and get a better understanding of what's actually happening. Until you do, you will never understand (or believe) what I have described. And without that understanding, it would be of no use to continue this discussion with you.

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Old 01-07-2016, 08:18 PM
 
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the same "middle class" that gets lifestyle "boosts" to deduct children, education expenses, home mortgage interest, etc etc paid for by others?
?

or were you discussing a different middle class?
Oh, you mean those from AGI deductions, both itemized and standard, that are available to all, not just the middle class?

Yeah, I thought that was what you were talking about.
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Old 01-07-2016, 08:20 PM
 
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I rented a house that was taxed an extra $1,500 because it was a rental. Is it fair to tax lower earners more?
Given that you could choose not to rent the house, it's a non-issue. It seems rather silly to complain about something that you are free to opt-out of.
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Old 01-07-2016, 08:41 PM
 
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Given that you could choose not to rent the house, it's a non-issue. It seems rather silly to complain about something that you are free to opt-out of.


??? ??? and the alternative was what? Homelessness? Buying a home certainly was not an option.
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Old 01-07-2016, 08:47 PM
 
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Nothing fallacious about it. It would clearly support your position that you believe that you aren't taxed enough.


You are attempting to make this personal where it is not. Where did I say I persoanlly do not pay enough?
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Old 01-07-2016, 08:51 PM
 
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Oh, you mean those from AGI deductions, both itemized and standard, that are available to all, not just the middle class?

Yeah, I thought that was what you were talking about.

Itemization isn't available to all in reality which is clearly demonstrated by the mortgage interest deduction benefit distribution on the income scale, and by the amount of homeowners who see no benefit from the Mortgage interest deduction
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Old 01-07-2016, 08:52 PM
 
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Given that you could choose not to rent the house, it's a non-issue. It seems rather silly to complain about something that you are free to opt-out of.
The choice not to rent isn't an actual choice for a lot of people. Maybe that ivory tower you thought I was in, in fact is where you reside if you don't realize this
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Old 01-07-2016, 08:57 PM
 
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??? ??? and the alternative was what? Homelessness? Buying a home certainly was not an option.
The poor often lament that they have no choices in the decisions that they make. This is one of the many reasons that they are poor.
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Old 01-07-2016, 08:59 PM
 
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Itemization isn't available to all in reality which is clearly demonstrated by the mortgage interest deduction benefit distribution on the income scale, and by the amount of homeowners who see no benefit from the Mortgage interest deduction
Itemized deductions ARE available to all. Not having an income level high enough to take advantage of that doesn't change their availability.

I included the standard deduction in my post, for just such a reason.
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Old 01-07-2016, 09:01 PM
 
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The choice not to rent isn't an actual choice for a lot of people. Maybe that ivory tower you thought I was in, in fact is where you reside if you don't realize this
Lots of choices available. Renting or homelessness (or whatever alternative you envision) is a false dichotomy.
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