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If you look in the back room of any large supermarket, you will find that most of the produce boxes are labeled "Product of Mexico." With the shortage of farm workers in California already, and many of them afraid of being deported, I would expect a shortage with much higher prices if those tariffs are implemented. Yes, in the end we will pay for the wall.
This is so very true. There was a story here on the news recently about farmers in the central valley concerned that they were going to have enough workers this year to harvest. The bottom line is that if they don't there will be substantially less product and it will all cost more.
I think we all need to recognize that the tariffs and farm labor shortage will cost more for all of us.
Don't they have job programs for farm workers to bring them in from Mexico?
If we deport more, and shut down illegals from working other jobs in America through mandating E-Verify, they won't have much choice but to take the farm jobs.
We can create supply of workers for these type of jobs if we really wanted to.
Don't they have job programs for farm workers to bring them in from Mexico?
If we deport more, and shut down illegals from working other jobs in America through mandating E-Verify, they won't have much choice but to take the farm jobs.
We can create supply of workers for these type of jobs if we really wanted to.
There used to be a farm worker program called the Bracero program. It's been gone for 40-45 years. Maybe more.
How do you believe we could create a supply of workers? I saw another article a few weeks ago about a farming area in the south. A neighboring county had an incredibly high unemployment rate (I'm thinking 10% or higher). The farm worker jobs were opened to them. I think a couple hundred people applied. Maybe 50 or so showed up for the 2nd day. I believe it was 9 people actually finished the growing season. I'd have to find the exact article for the specific numbers but I believe I'm close.
Workers that might be available for this kind of work are mostly unwilling to do it. To force them is illegal.
Here's a pretty good recap of what started the Bracero program, how it morphed into illegal immigration and the program eventually ended. It's a pretty quick read.
There used to be a farm worker program called the Bracero program. It's been gone for 40-45 years. Maybe more.
How do you believe we could create a supply of workers? I saw another article a few weeks ago about a farming area in the south. A neighboring county had an incredibly high unemployment rate (I'm thinking 10% or higher). The farm worker jobs were opened to them. I think a couple hundred people applied. Maybe 50 or so showed up for the 2nd day. I believe it was 9 people actually finished the growing season. I'd have to find the exact article for the specific numbers but I believe I'm close.
Workers that might be available for this kind of work are mostly unwilling to do it. To force them is illegal.
I am talking about getting workers from South of the border to work the farm jobs on temporary visa programs if we can't find Americans willing to do the job.
If there aren't enough illegal immigrants to fill the jobs we can create supply. We close off the better paying jobs to them in America, through deportations and mandating E-verify, so they won't have a choice but to either take their chances back home or work the farm jobs here through the temporary visa programs.
I do believe farm work/picking etc... is the one job Americans won't do.
Everything else can be filled IMO with Americans or legal workers.
We had a meat packing plant in CO that was raided by ICE. Mostly illegals worked there. The company was able to replace the workers with Americans or legal workers no problem so that completely blew out the talk that no Americans where willing to work there.
Construction is currently employing about 1 million less workers today compared to the peak. Those people are out there.
Fast-food workers where I live are almost all Americans, mostly kids or people establishing themselves back into society etc......
The only illegals I see around here work construction and some landscaping, but still lots of Americans working these same jobs where I live.
I also think we are going to have to accept that people smoke weed and still hire these people for these low level jobs. We will have to learn to treat it like alcohol, only on your own time etc....
I am talking about getting workers from South of the border to work the farm jobs on temporary visa programs if we can't find Americans willing to do the job.
If there aren't enough illegal immigrants to fill the jobs we can create supply. We close off the better paying jobs to them in America, through deportations and mandating E-verify, so they won't have a choice but to either take their chances back home or work the farm jobs here through the temporary visa programs.
I do believe farm work/picking etc... is the one job Americans won't do.
Everything else can be filled IMO with Americans or legal workers.
We had a meat packing plant in CO that was raided by ICE. Mostly illegals worked there. The company was able to replace the workers with Americans or legal workers no problem so that completely blew out the talk that no Americans where willing to work there.
Construction is currently employing about 1 million less workers today compared to the peak. Those people are out there.
Fast-food workers where I live are almost all Americans, mostly kids or people establishing themselves back into society etc......
The only illegals I see around here work construction and some landscaping, but still lots of Americans working these same jobs where I live.
I also think we are going to have to accept that people smoke weed and still hire these people for these low level jobs. We will have to learn to treat it like alcohol, only on your own time etc....
Most of them are not taking the higher paying jobs to begin with.
Why not just grant the immigrants already working on these farms temporary visas instead of going through the motions?
I am talking about getting workers from South of the border to work the farm jobs on temporary visa programs if we can't find Americans willing to do the job.
If there aren't enough illegal immigrants to fill the jobs we can create supply. We close off the better paying jobs to them in America, through deportations and mandating E-verify, so they won't have a choice but to either take their chances back home or work the farm jobs here through the temporary visa programs.
I do believe farm work/picking etc... is the one job Americans won't do.
Everything else can be filled IMO with Americans or legal workers.
We had a meat packing plant in CO that was raided by ICE. Mostly illegals worked there. The company was able to replace the workers with Americans or legal workers no problem so that completely blew out the talk that no Americans where willing to work there.
Construction is currently employing about 1 million less workers today compared to the peak. Those people are out there.
Fast-food workers where I live are almost all Americans, mostly kids or people establishing themselves back into society etc......
The only illegals I see around here work construction and some landscaping, but still lots of Americans working these same jobs where I live.
I also think we are going to have to accept that people smoke weed and still hire these people for these low level jobs. We will have to learn to treat it like alcohol, only on your own time etc....
You've essentially just described the Bracero program. What happened was that the jobs were highly valued. There was a lot of bribery to get a small number of jobs. So immigrants overstayed their VISA or came in illegally. Employers figured out they could employ the NON Braceros for a lot less $$ and a lot fewer restrictions. So they did.
Of course the meat packing plant had no problem finding Americans to do the work. I'd be willing to bet they're paying substantially more per hour than they were to those deported. That's eventually going to flow thru to the end product.
As long as we Americans keep demanding high wages and low prices, employers and suppliers are going to do whatever they have to do to keep their costs down.
You've essentially just described the Bracero program. What happened was that the jobs were highly valued. There was a lot of bribery to get a small number of jobs. So immigrants overstayed their VISA or came in illegally. Employers figured out they could employ the NON Braceros for a lot less $$ and a lot fewer restrictions. So they did.
Of course the meat packing plant had no problem finding Americans to do the work. I'd be willing to bet they're paying substantially more per hour than they were to those deported. That's eventually going to flow thru to the end product.
As long as we Americans keep demanding high wages and low prices, employers and suppliers are going to do whatever they have to do to keep their costs down.
Or raise the prices of their products. To approach the same profit margin.
Or raise the prices of their products. To approach the same profit margin.
Bingo!
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