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Old 04-09-2016, 05:08 PM
 
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Your accusation is this: One of the purposes of zoning is to prevent poor people from buying way less house than they can afford. You still haven't shown an example more current than a century ago that proves this.

As for your 25-year-old anecdote, it doesn't have anything to do with poor people buying homes. It's about an apartment building. Where's the connection?

Please, I'll ask you again - show me where zoning regulations are made to specifically keep poor people from buying homes. You said that it "continues to this day". It does NOT.

As for "people like me". You mean people that went college the same time that you did, did not get a degree, and am a woman? "People like me" that instead of making excuses, managed to buy 3 homes with less opportunities than you've had?

Well consider this...take a leisurely drive to some wealthy community - of which there are some in upper Westchester (as well as many other areas). Or you can sit at home and go online. Look at their zoning codes. Communities adapt their local zoning codes to local standards. So in upper Westchester you might find minimum lot sizes of, say, five or ten acres. The idea is to keep out those financially below the local norm. Go to an average community with average incomes and you'll find average minimum lot sizes - often between 5,000 and 10,000 square feet. My earlier comments were inflated hyperbole but the general and consistent thrust of zoning is to construct financial barriers sufficient to keep those below the local financial norm from buying homes.

Blocking construction of apartments is a corollary to keeping poor people from buying homes. Some communities are willing to allow a limited number of poor people to live there by renting, some don't allow housing aimed at a rental market.
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Old 04-09-2016, 10:54 PM
 
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Well consider this...take a leisurely drive to some wealthy community - of which there are some in upper Westchester (as well as many other areas). Or you can sit at home and go online. Look at their zoning codes. Communities adapt their local zoning codes to local standards. So in upper Westchester you might find minimum lot sizes of, say, five or ten acres. The idea is to keep out those financially below the local norm. Go to an average community with average incomes and you'll find average minimum lot sizes - often between 5,000 and 10,000 square feet. My earlier comments were inflated hyperbole but the general and consistent thrust of zoning is to construct financial barriers sufficient to keep those below the local financial norm from buying homes.

Blocking construction of apartments is a corollary to keeping poor people from buying homes. Some communities are willing to allow a limited number of poor people to live there by renting, some don't allow housing aimed at a rental market.
It is the price of the home that prevents you from purchasing a house in a wealthy area, not just a particular zoning codes.

Homebuyers are logical look for homes they can afford and don't waste energy complaining about homes that are too expensive for their budget. If they did, they'd still be renters.
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Old 04-10-2016, 05:54 AM
 
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I too expected something even an iota more than what he posted. If he had posted something even about, say, 1-acre minimums I might even agree with him to an extent.

Oh well.
In a town with septic systems instead of sewer lines in the street, 1 acre zoning it totally reasonable. With well water, even an acre is iffy.
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Old 04-10-2016, 12:07 PM
 
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Many areas due to perc tests have 5, 10 or larger minimum requirements.

It has to do with health and safety for the general populace and ensuring sufficient room for a secondary leach field should the need arise.

I've seen a few school bus campers that are permanent homes... they were quite common in the SF Bay Area at one time... those with less means often settled for a VW bus or van.
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Old 04-10-2016, 12:39 PM
 
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A house is always a luxury item.
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Old 04-10-2016, 12:43 PM
 
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Growing up I would walk past lots of boarded up home on my way to school... these are homes owned by the city for back taxes... doesn't sound like a luxury item when owners gave them up.

The city had a program where you could buy the home for $1 provided you moved in and made a few thousand in repairs... often a new roof and painting were enough to qualify.
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Old 04-10-2016, 01:59 PM
 
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It is the price of the home that prevents you from purchasing a house in a wealthy area, not just a particular zoning codes.

Homebuyers are logical look for homes they can afford and don't waste energy complaining about homes that are too expensive for their budget. If they did, they'd still be renters.



The purpose of 10-acre minimums is to keep out those who can afford the house but not the 10 acres.

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Old 04-10-2016, 02:02 PM
 
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Many areas due to perc tests have 5, 10 or larger minimum requirements.

It has to do with health and safety for the general populace and ensuring sufficient room for a secondary leach field should the need arise.

I've seen a few school bus campers that are permanent homes... they were quite common in the SF Bay Area at one time... those with less means often settled for a VW bus or van.

Considering the prevalence of homelessness I'd say there is no shortage of secondary leeches.
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Old 04-10-2016, 02:04 PM
 
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It is the price of the home that prevents you from purchasing a house in a wealthy area, not just a particular zoning codes.

Homebuyers are logical look for homes they can afford and don't waste energy complaining about homes that are too expensive for their budget. If they did, they'd still be renters.

??? ??? ??? ??? How much does a 400 sq ft house cost? I had the financing to buy one but the zoning required more land than I could afford.
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Old 04-10-2016, 03:04 PM
 
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??? ??? ??? ??? How much does a 400 sq ft house cost? I had the financing to buy one but the zoning required more land than I could afford.
Only in the exact place you apparently wanted. You could go elsewhere. But your blame game would follow.

I can afford a 1500SF house but not in Malibu, WAAAAHHHH WAHHHHHHAAHHHHHH
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