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Old 02-23-2016, 09:33 AM
 
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This is the sort of thing that I would expect from a freshmen young republican.

Considering the US is the better part of a huge continent, I think its pretty easy to have a diverse economy. Smaller countries are more vulnerable inherently. There is nothing inherently about capitalism in your statement. If anything its the opposite to some degree. Adam Smith opens his book.
The greatest improvement*17 in the productive powers of labour, and the greater part of the skill, dexterity, and judgment with which it is any where directed, or applied, seem to have been the effects of the division of labour.
That is what free trade is all about as well. its taking advantage of one trick ponies. The problem is that there is risk in doing so. Asian tigers fully embraced export economies and succeeded rather well, but they are less stable and subject to external pressure.
Specialization is what makes the big bucks, but like leverage there is risk. The problem with central planning is that it does not manage well the advantages of specialization while managing the risks. To that extent there might be a point to capitalism in this is that it is much more flexible to changes.
oh lookie, lookie at the leftist defending a SOCIALIST country that is FAILING. Trying to prop it and sell it isn't going to work.
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Old 02-23-2016, 09:46 AM
 
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Of course capitalism would produce and then get better but it won't happen, they are socialist and they look to the government to feed them instead and supply their needs. As you see, they are failing.

The problem with you kids that want socialist is that you think socialist countries enjoy the same luxuries that you do but all paid for by the government. You are wrong. Use your brain and think about it.
Ummm. P.

I R Not a Socialist.

(but I am also Not a Capitalist).

I think folks do best that can take care of themselves, if they can. And those who can take care of themselves should be generous and help those who cannot.

That is neither Socialist nor Capitalist.

both of your "ist(s)" or "ism(s)" work against that.
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Old 02-23-2016, 10:22 AM
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If you think socialism is an improvement you're sadly mistaken. Instead of blindly buying the propaganda why don't you move to experience it first then get back to us. Instead you are ranting how you want socialism in America on the forum, something you never experienced but seem to think you are an expert in how it works (all fed to you by the leftist propaganda machine). And people wonder how in the hell dictators gain power. It's called propaganda, the naive, the desperate, the delusional buy into a they will save the people. Visions of sugar plums dancing in peoples head.
What you're saying above is clearly not true, if you read before replying. And you should also not accuse others of ranting when what you write above is more clearly a rant than anything else in this thread.
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Old 02-23-2016, 10:31 AM
 
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Ummm. P.

I R Not a Socialist.

(but I am also Not a Capitalist).

I think folks do best that can take care of themselves, if they can. And those who can take care of themselves should be generous and help those who cannot.

That is neither Socialist nor Capitalist.

both of your "ist(s)" or "ism(s)" work against that.
If I exchange my time and provide a skill to earn money or if I risk my money to invest, what gives you the right to tell me what to do with the money I earned?

Those who can not???? but they sure have the physical ability to climb in bed with someone and make babies, but first you got to find someone to climb in bed with, oh that's not a problem, they are physically able to find the local hangout, find the next hit, get drunk, hang out and b**** how they are screwed but I'm supposed to want to support them?

No that's not all of the poor but get these people off the dole and we'll talk.

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Old 02-23-2016, 10:56 AM
 
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oh lookie, lookie at the leftist defending a SOCIALIST country that is FAILING. Trying to prop it and sell it isn't going to work.
Oh lookie a clueless young republican that calls me a leftest for quoting Adam Smith. Boy I wonder what kind of leftist I am considering I'd like to go to the tax policy off the 19th century.......

See that's why I despise so called conservatives theses days. They are ignorant and label every failed state socialist. Did every empire fail because of socialism?

I am simply informing anyone reasonable person that Venezuela is simply a failed rentier state . Doesn't matter what system you call it. Somalia ,Haiti or Mexico is no more a failure of capitalism as your mirror image leftist twits would have it.

Cuba is another fine example of complete BS. Its a failed state regardless as if crushing economic sanctions are not a factor.
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Old 02-23-2016, 11:05 AM
 
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If I exchange my time and provide a skill to earn money or if I risk my money to invest, what gives you the right to tell me what to do with the money I earned?
The Helots asked the same question. I asked the same question too. What gives someone the right to plant a flag to claim raw land and have a complicit government toss me off it while its paid for with sales and income taxes. Most people one form of extortion over another. But then that is why I have so much trouble with both righties and lefties that both use the power of the state for extortion. One likes direct grabs for cash and prizes and the other lets someone run their own toll booth.



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Those who can not???? but they sure have the physical ability to climb in bed with someone and make babies, but first you got to find someone to climb in bed with, oh that's not a problem, they are physically able to find the local hangout, find the next hit, get drunk, hang out and b**** how they are screwed but I'm supposed to want to support them?

No that's not all of the poor but get these people off the dole and we'll talk.

The Comanche did the same thing, but I would not call them poor. They thrived among their peers.
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Old 02-23-2016, 01:55 PM
 
Location: Kirkland, WA (Metro Seattle)
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Maduro has picked someone who doesn't even believe there's such a thing as inflation to be the country's economic czar. "When a person goes to a shop and finds that prices have gone up," the new minister wrote, "they are not in the presence of 'inflation,' " but rather "parasitic" businesses that are trying to push up profits as much as possible.
Is that the Salas guy, the new minister?

Though the term "parasite" or "parasitic" is straight out of the so-called Historical Dialectic. Interesting that "the Dialectic" explains everything. At least, that's where I think that comment came from: trotted out from Marxist and/or Leninist theory. Can't provide a citation, just a feeling on my part. I recall studying that, and Stalin's writing, out of college about twenty years ago.

(Willful ignorance mode: ON)

Not sure why they (Venezuelan government) don't trot out basic economic theory, absent central planning malarkey. Then explain step-by-step the series of objective moves that were made, the expected outcome (per economic theory), actual outcome, and what steps they will now take to resolve the situation bit-by-bit.

...Absent any political gibberish or conspiracy stories that somehow it's all the fault of the United States. Y'know, taking responsibility for failure of the system, cause-and-effect, all that?

Of course, Binging the story further, I see the "economic minister", another Socialist stooge (the Salas I'm referring too) authored some sort of pamphlet (LOL) on economic theory. I believe it claims most of the self-evident tenants of supply and demand, inflation, etc. are (paraphrasing) "...tools of the Capitalists to oppress the People." (from: Breitbart, January 8 2016)

(Willful ignorance mode: OFF)

I do find it sad people are suffering, as usual it's innocents who suffer the most. Maybe, however, "the People" need to take additional steps, vault themselves into a fresh and more robust economic system not founded on ignorance. Hopefully, not just another military coup. Just one man's opinion, amazing what mass protests can accomplish for good and ill ("Arab Spring" being an example of the latter, so far at least?)
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Old 02-23-2016, 03:23 PM
 
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5 reasons why Venezuela's economy is in a 'meltdown' - Jan. 18, 2016

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...lete-collapse/

I remember hearing leftist talk about how Chavez and his regime was proof socialism could work. Well I wonder what these people are saying now.

LOL!

And you know.... really, it's not that funny. I have all ideas the "revolution" was accomplished by the usual means. I feel sorry for all the unwilling participants down there. And it's going to be a long time, and a lot of bloodshed probably, before they can get this monkey off their back. If they ever do.

We need to be worried in America. And the ENTIRE WORLD needs to be worried about what will happen if America goes socialist.
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Old 02-23-2016, 03:38 PM
 
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If you think socialism is an improvement you're sadly mistaken. Instead of blindly buying the propaganda why don't you move to experience it first then get back to us. Instead you are ranting how you want socialism in America on the forum, something you never experienced but seem to think you are an expert in how it works (all fed to you by the leftist propaganda machine). And people wonder how in the hell dictators gain power. It's called propaganda, the naive, the desperate, the delusional buy into a they will save the people. Visions of sugar plums dancing in peoples head.
Are you a libertarian?
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Old 02-23-2016, 06:17 PM
 
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Are you a libertarian?
Non classified it's all

propaganda, the naive, the desperate, the delusional buy into a they will save the people. Visions of sugar plums dancing in peoples head.
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