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That's right. I will continue to refuse to allow the government to dictate what they think I should do with my money (or refuse to support such idiocy at least). I earned my money and I should do what I think is appropriate with it. What moral claim do you have that would send an agency of force (the government) to take of my substance to alleviate your real and/or perceived problem? Slavery ended in this country a long time ago. That's what you're advocating, a return to it: that I should work to provide for you. If you think that's selfish, so be it. I for one do not need a government entity to dictate morals to me nor do I need to defend my own morals before others when it's none of their d--- business.
You want to take government services without paying for them? Police, fire, etc.....?
How is that not simply transferring the "slavery" from one person to another?
You want to take government services without paying for them? Police, fire, etc.....?
How is that not simply transferring the "slavery" from one person to another?
Agreed.
I truly don't understand the thought process of people who don't think they should have to pay any taxes at all. I can see complaining about how much they pay, but, come on, taxes have always been and always will be. It's called society. It's not new.
middle class are people who are stuck in the middle, like a middle child, like a middle finger. they're pulled between two different forces, and have always been unhappy throughout the history of mankind.
middle class are people who are stuck in the middle, like a middle child, like a middle finger. they're pulled between two different forces, and have always been unhappy throughout the history of mankind.
This totally sidesteps the issue of why the middle class is angry - yes, there has always been a middle, but the gaps and differences in income were not so huge. Now it is out of control:
You want to take government services without paying for them? Police, fire, etc.....?
How is that not simply transferring the "slavery" from one person to another?
Where did I say that in my argument? I said very simply I think I should do with my money what I think is appropriate. You re-stated that as taking government services without paying for them. You've re-defined my argument and rejected your own definition. Do you always make strawmans out of discussions?
Also, how else would you define slavery outside of making someone else work for you? That is a clear form of slavery. Bottom line is someone else's rights do not cost me anything. If it costs me something, it is not a right.
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Originally Posted by AfternoonCoffee
I truly don't understand the thought process of people who don't think they should have to pay any taxes at all. I can see complaining about how much they pay, but, come on, taxes have always been and always will be. It's called society. It's not new.
I don't understand the thought process of people who think government should have power over matters that it was not constitutionally granted such education, energy, healthcare, marriage, food and drug administration.
I also don't understand the thought process of people who jump to conclusions that cannot be derived from the argument.
Last edited by Basiliximab; 04-02-2016 at 05:49 AM..
This totally sidesteps the issue of why the middle class is angry - yes, there has always been a middle, but the gaps and differences in income were not so huge. Now it is out of control:
Perhaps the American electorate can be awakened but I doubt it.
Most people are fully consumed in their day to day struggles just trying to solve their own and family problems. They don't have the time to become politically engaged.
I remember the 50s and 60s. Teachers could actually buy a new house and have enough income to raise a family and take an annual vacation.
Most people I know have become cynical. They have totally given up on politics. That's why the force to change needs to come from the young people. It's their future that is at risk.
Where did I say that in my argument? I said very simply I think I should do with my money what I think is appropriate. You re-stated that as taking government services without paying for them. You've re-defined my argument and rejected your own definition. Do you always make strawmans out of discussions?
Also, how else would you define slavery outside of making someone else work for you? That is a clear form of slavery. Bottom line is someone else's rights do not cost me anything. If it costs me something, it is not a right.
I don't understand the thought process of people who think government should have power over matters that it was not constitutionally granted such education, energy, healthcare, marriage, food and drug administration.
I also don't understand the thought process of people who jump to conclusions that cannot be derived from the argument.
None of this makes any sense at all. The 16th Amendment to the US constitution allows them to collect income taxes. Lower class, middle class, angry middle class, upper class, does not matter.
Why don't you specify what you think taxes should be levied to pay for and what they shouldn't?
I believe he/she was replying specifically to your post about not getting funding for your research projects:
<Originally Posted by ncole1
so I can find out yet again that there is no research funding, because people like you refuse to chip in?>
And I have to agree. "People like us" may have other priorities besides your lab's projects. Times are tough. Budgets are tight. Might need to get back to basics and you may want to look for work that is not dependent on government funding. Or find a lab that is doing critical work that the government wants to fund. There is only so much tax money to go around.
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You want to take government services without paying for them? Police, fire, etc.....?
